Even if your best option is to vote for postponing the day leftists start getting hauled off to camps, you should still vote. Activism is harder when you’re in a mega prison.
Most people who read and write the comments here are frustrated because there is no known mechanism to have large scale change in the USA. Only minor victories that are easily lost to time.
Thanks for pointing that out, truly revolutionary.
Yup, no one here is burning down warehouses as far as I can tell
The assumption that the Democrats aren’t fascist is why the cycle remains unbroken
They’re all corrupt. Just ask the dead Palestinians
Vote with one hand, throw a brick with the other.
Become ambidextrous. Become ungovernable.
The only way forward is to liquidate the billionaires as a class.
Sales pitch: An organization that, after one dies, donates one’s spine to the USA Democrat Party.
EDIT: not necessarily a charity. This is a sales pitch, after all :P
Wait until he realizes the fascists and the Democrats are the same people, it’s a straight line.
The US is a corrupt settler colony with no redeeming values and must be destroyed. Reform is impossible. Death to America.
Come to the Turkey. There is hundreds of competitors except Republicians, Faschists and Democrats . Nobody knows what happening here in this country. Double excitement, triple adrenaline, endless pursuits, tempo never downs… One way in and no way out!
When you came back to America you will be a staunch patriot!
You didn’t vote, that’s why they can’t fight back.
Fortunately voting isn’t mutually exclusive to any other flavor of activism. So, unironically: yes, please do vote, as often and informed as you’re able to.
Light up some billionaire’s warehouse on the way home if you want, but voting is easier and safer than pretty much any offer method of driving some rapid reform, so start with voting, and take whatever other action you feel still needs to take place.
Lots of hate on voting lately… Why? Use every tool we’ve got.
Problem is in a lot of states voting does jack shit unless you’re on the side of the party the majority of your state votes for. In 2024, 70% of the registered voters voted and the conservatives won by a massive margin. Protests happen every once in a while here, but if you say anything at these to encourage other forms of political movement and you’re quickly shut off cause they’re afraid you’ll hurt the movement.
I mostly agree. I see nothing wrong with voting, though I understand the folks who didn’t vote in the last presidential election. I don’t think voting matters all that much outside of local elections but do what you will. It’s getting a lot of hate rn because it has felt very ineffective at preventing fascism and people are seeking alternatives.
What we need is labor movement power like work stoppages, but far more organizing is needed before we can do that effectively
Absolutely, convincing liberals of this necessity is imperative
I share that frustration, but discouraging voters from showing up isn’t going to help anything: focus your anger at the actual fascists, not the ballot box.
Actually achieving some meaningful reform is a complex project that requires every tool in the box. If you run into a stripped screw, don’t get mad at the screwdriver for not working, but instead reach for your other tools to use alongside the driver. Might need to grab it with a vicegrip (like a general strike) or whack it with a hammer (like a molotov cocktail), but don’t just discard the screwdriver - the screws aren’t all stripped, and the project is a lot bigger than just the one striped screw. If the next screw is also stripped, by all means light up another, uh, hammer… but the screwdriver is the easiest and most effective option for the parts of the project that aren’t already fubar.
So… advocating for alternatives when they’re called for: absolutely necessary! Throwing the screwdriver away: unnecessary and critical error.
Unfortunately voting requires electoralist action, which takes a lot of effort and motivation from those doing it (literally year-long amount of man-hours) which absolutely is mutually exclusive with actually useful things
literally year-long amount of man-hours
What are you talking about?
The thousands of work hours spent canvassing, phone calling, fund raising etc rtc
Propaganda. It’s easier to deactivate the opposition than to convert it.
For me it was how the democratic establishment used all their energy on undermining the Bernie campaigns of 2016 and 2020. They litterally would rather have fascist president than seeing change.
Don’t forgot Zoran Mamdani, they would let Bloomberg split the vote and not endorse a mayoral candidate. They’d let a Trump republican win before an avowed socialist.
Such bullshit. Bernie ran campaigns and lost. Apparently that makes Biden a “fascist”.
Not saying Biden was a fascist, but he was a worse candidate because he was carried up by billionaire money alone, and that gave us a worse position to win the 2020 election. Also known as risking the second term of fascist Trump.
The reason Bernie lost was because of a coordinated effort to undermine Bernie. He challenged the billionaire class with living wages, infrastructure spending and climate action. He was built on the grounds of donations avaraging 27 dollars, owned by people, not might.
He was up against 15ish bland super PAC funded candidates, also known as bootlickers. These bootlickers would eventually come together together with Obama and lick the boots of Biden right before super tuesday. Allowing establishment newspapers to spike up Biden at a pivotal moment.
I dont think you should defend a bankrupt nomination process, thats all.
Dude, Debbie Wasserman Shultz literally had to resign from the DNC chair position because of leaked emails where she was in correspondence with other DNC officials deriding the Sanders campaign and strategizing on how to undermine him and advanced Clinton’s campaign.
My GF at time was a true-blue Democrat who volunteered for her party during Bernie’s campaign, she was there for primaries. I told her there was NO WAY that the Ds would allow him to run for office.
After, she came home very upset, just devastated with what she had seen. She never told me what happened, she refused to talk to me about it. We were over shortly after
She stopped volunteering.
I encourage everyone to volunteer and see how things are done in local politics, it’s a real eye opener
the Ds would allow him to run for office.
Those "D"s are called primary voters.
Anyone who helped Trump win is not a Bernie supporter.
Those "D"s are called primary voters.
no
https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-robbed-sanders-dnc-brazile-699421
Right, the “source” being an unproven claim from disgruntled former employee Donna Brazile who ran directly to Fox News to spite CNN.
That REALLY proves that the DNC somehow forced so many more people to vote for Sanders’ opponents.
Delusional, cult-like behavior.
Why don’t you point out where Bernie says he was cheated?
Ain’t no way the ruling elite can risk any peasants actually getting the idea of taxing billionaires and holding them accountable in other ways.
In the short term with a first past the post system, harm reduction in voting D is unfortunately the way to go, but let’s not kid ourselves and think they actually want real change.
Republicans cut taxes for billionaires, because we let them take over the government.
Remember folks, it’s always easier to break something than to build it. That’s why morons like Trump are so successful.
Agreed, but then why is the us voting public obsessed with having a candidate who says they will snap their fingers and immediately bring israel to heel, fix the economic inequalities in the system, erase the conservatives, guarantee affordable healthcare, tax billionaires, remove AIPAC, lower inflation and cure cancer in their first month of office?
Its like people dont know how the sysyem works anymore.
They don’t It’s been years of worsening public education and populist rhetoric. I’m Canadian and I literally have to explain to Americans daily how their own electoral system works.
Especially since continuing to build subjugation of a whole planet is
hardimpossible with a hollowed out industrial base
It’s even more fun when they help the fascists while attacking anyone left of Gavin Newsom.
To quote Malcom X: “It’s the ballot, or the bullet.”
We gonna have to get mean of we want it to change. Looking at the comments, we are already there.
to be fair, lemmy is already left leaning
Doesn’t anyone get tired of this childish pontificating? It’s all just a bunch of blowhard keyboard warriors.
Malcolm X, by the way, did not advocate violence against rich people. Or even really all that much violence at all. His historical legacy has been hijacked by teenage edgelords.
He believed in self defense but also advocated staying within legal bounds.
Go read the full ballot or the bullet speach and see if you still agree with your post.
