Wow. What an uphill battle the Democrats have before them. How will they EVER be able to prove how unfit for office Trump is? Wow. A commission!
What a colossal f*cking waste of time. Just 25th him, already. You’ve got every damn day Trump’s been in office for the last 10 years as evidence. Quit jerking off and do your jobs.
I knew the dems would form a committee eventually. It’s only a matter of time now. /s
His mental fitness is being assessed constantly. They just don’t care about his decline. Putin will have him as long as he think he can serve his purpose as being a useful idiot.
As A Brit being a third party I will believe it when I see it
Man, woman, felon, camera.
Sure let’s do everything but useful stuff
Ah, you’re one of those people who will look at any potentially positive action and say it’s useless. You know how we know that? It’s because you didn’t mention any alternatives. Because you don’t think there are any alternatives. Because you think life is pointless and we’re all gonna die and nobody can do anything to stop Trump. And we all know that’s not true because Trump has lost on many issues over the last year and he will continue to in the future. But you don’t want us to recognize reality for what it is.
And of course it’s hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Unless, of course, you want him to stay in the White House. Which, perhaps, you do.
What’s useful stuff at this point, shooting him? At least this will force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
You mean that thing they’ve done for decades that their base wants? Look at how they acted with Good and Pretti, they’re not even trying to make white people comfortable anymore*; the gloves are off. They know that anyone who hates them will hate them and anyone who loves them will let them get away with pretty much anything.
*In the past they’d at least try to make white people comfortable so that said group could ignore major issues. Now they’re shooting them, too.
They have long stopped caring about that.
force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
It always cracks me up when liberals assume this matters to anyone.
Congress doesn’t use the 25th amendment, it’s the president’s cabinet.
That is not completely accurate:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Congress can, indeed, create a commission that serves as a substitute to the cabinet for 25th amendment purposes.
Doesn’t this mean that Vance would need to approve it as well?
Yes. The 25th explicitly requires the involvement of the VP.
It could be argued that the Speaker of the House could do it if the VP position were vacant, but the 25th does not explicitly consider that situation.
So the prize for removing Trump is empowering Vance. Is he more or less likely to nuke Iran?
He’s an asshole and a piece of shit but he seems much more rational than Trump, at the very least.
Much less.
Nobody likes Vance. He was tapped for VP because he posed no apparent threat to 47. He can’t hold the MAGAt personality cult together.
Dems can’t get anything done in Congress, so they might as well poison the MAGA well for the Midterms.
I’m pretty sure their purpose is to stall the public until the Republicans can win an election. If a wealthy person just happened to be born in a Democrat state, then that is the ticket they run on. I’d love to find out how many of them have family and friends that are all conservative.
Oh great another 2 year circus side show.
A commission to assess?
Ffs.
Nuke us from space.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
This “other body” is the commission they are talking about.
Your request for “nuke us from space” has been filed. It may take up to 15-20 years before you get a reply.
I’m fairly sure it’s already been denied, properly filed in a disused lavatory with “beware of leopard” sign as is due process.
And if you follow there may
Be a tomorrow but if
The offer’s shunned
You might as well be walking on the Sun
Not good enough.
…after which a commission may be formed to assess whether this would be the right move. And after that, it’d probably be DOA in the senate if it gets that far.
Concepts of a plan.
“Lightweight Jamie Raskin is a stupid person’s idea of a smart person,” said White House spokesperson Davis Ingle.
Trump is a poor white trash person’s idea of a rich person.
Judging by how much the billionaires back him, I don’t think that’s true. The idea that billionaires are anything other than scammers and abusers like Trump is pretty obviously false. He just doesn’t mask it.
He’s a useful idiot. Back in the 90s when he was doing fast food commercials, he lost massive amounts of money. The appearance of bring a billionaire helped him become a billionaire again. The dude’s a grifter and a puppet.
When Trump opens his mouth, you can SEE Putin’s hand.
No he’s right. Trump before becoming president likely wasn’t a billionaire. Trump is gold leaf trash amongst his peers, he’s the bullshitter his peers play golf with to make fun of. He’s the stupid face for the real Billionaires with tens and hundreds of billions. A Tool of no pedigree, his grandpa dodged the draft and made it opening a whore house.
The billionaires don’t see him as one of them.
Well he’s getting the last laugh then because he’s enriching himself by an obscene amount right now.
Not compared to Elon Musk, Bill Gates, MBS, Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison, Zuck, etc… Trump only now has Arnold (Bubba) Palmer Billions and it’s not very liquid.
Billionaires back whoever they think can get them the most money. It really isn’t any deeper than that.
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Every billionaire that opens their mouth. How do you think they got all that money? Hard work and ethical business practices?
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We aren’t arguing with each other trying to say the same thing. You are trying to argue with me because you misread my comment twice.
Billionaires are soulless scammers. I said that pretty clearly in my original comment.
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My comment was perfectly understandable and used a really common phrase. You’re being a patronizing asshole despite the misunderstanding being entirely on you. I didn’t make you comment.
Edit: and then you delete the entire comment chain to hide it. Is lemmy holding a clown convention today?
Are they just now catching onto and parroting memes from his first term? Lemmy needs a “the right can’t meme” comm if there isn’t one already.
Yeah, pretty big “2016 called and wants their Trump meme back” energy from this one.
Oh no he didn’t just insult my favorite congressman!
It’s not even true either. Jamie Raskin is highly intelligent, and professional, and he even kept serving while undergoing cancer treatment. He’s a hero.
trump on the other hand, is trash.
Yes, I would think stupid people would think a constitutional lawyer is a smart person.
I’m not sure David Ingle is too bright, though.
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I was about to complain yet again “that’s not how it works”, but then I looked up the text again and this is explicitly allowed. Congress can set up a commission that basically takes the place of the Cabinet for 25th Amendment purposes. So now all this talk of the 25th amendment makes a bit more sense to me.
They still need a 2/3 margin in both houses even after the commission makes their determination, because the idiot is guaranteed to contest it. But maybe there is some truth to the idea that Republicans won’t vote to impeach but would vote to declare him incompetent, based on his dumb tweets
If I were a Republican I’d be arguing that there’s no way Americans didn’t already know he was incompetent when voting for him.
Yea, no backsies!
I think the chances that republicans will admit their guy is incompetent is close to 0. They will rather lock him up in the white house basement for 2 years.
Maybe the dementia will progress far enough that he’ll forget he needs to send in a letter
Stephen miller has to be too incompetent to use one of the auto Sharpies to forge the letter too don’t forget.
Yeah far easier to impeach, which requires a simple majority in the House and 2/3rds of the Senate.
The 25th Amendment is a higher bar, since it requires 2/3rds of both the House and the Senate.
Impeachment is a claim of malfeasance. 25th is a claim of simple incompetence. The standards of evidence in an impeachment are effectively similar to that of a criminal trial: guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
The standards of evidence in a 25th amendment action are “reasonable belief”.
To impeach him for, say, threatening nuclear annihilation, prosecutors would have to prove that threat was illegally beyond his authority to issue that threat. Which would be difficult, because the president does, indeed, have the power to use nuclear weapons. Congress is free to refuse to act, or to drag their feet for months before acting.
To invoke the 25th amendment, Vance merely has to say that the president is not acting reasonably.
This seems like more copium and wishful thinking but it is probably more likely, but still not likely.
Somebody needs to position themselves right next to the Stalemate Resolution Button and be ready.
Another performative stunt. Dead on arrival and everyone knows it.
Would you rather they do nothing at all cause that’s the other legal option they have at this moment
Until November.
You mean January 21.
Release the epstein files
That’s basically saying “No u”.
Gross
Old
ProjectionSeriously, people have (rightly) been saying this about Trump for decades!
Does the 25th also work to remove Schumer and Jeffries from office?
Works as well as removing a president from office. So not at all
