• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Strong comic.

    This, again, raises the question: Do we want to get higher wages? The obvious answer might seem “yes”. But i argue it’s not that obvious.

    People should be able to live without being forced to work. When your only income is from wages, that effectively forces you to work. I think we should strive for a society where basic needs are fulfilled even without jobs.

    That, in turn, raises the question of how to achieve this? What are the technical, legal, economic formulations for this? I have been considering of raising a wealth tax, but not on individuals, but on companies instead. The reason for this is mostly that it might be surprisingly difficult to assess the net wealth of individuals. Consider person A holds some shares in company B. When you’re trying to tax person A, you’re now faced with the difficult task of figuring out what the shares of company B are worth. That’s not always trivial to do, as not all companies are publicly traded. However, what if instead of charging $100 in taxes for $1000 worth in shares, the taxes are due in company shares directly? I.e. person A would have to give so-and-so many shares (10% of their possession) to the community. Through this mechanism, the “means of production” would literally become communal property. An interesting possibility.

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    Huh, funny seeing this right after coming back from participating in a Wolt strike.

    Behold, real world workers striking with this exact message:

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        Eyup… But me and another guy from 3F are working on organising the Wolt couriers in preparation for December 2nd. That’s the deadline for Denmark to implement the Platform Work Directive.

        Me, the other guy, members of Community House and Enhedslisten, and FH are working on fixing the language of the Platform Work Directive to ensure companies like Wolt, and Uber Eats entering the market, cannot just scoot around it and keep business as usual.

        For now, the Wolt workers are protesting for something very simple; “we want more than merely 20 kr to complete an order.”

        The workers are planning every week to strike on the busiest hours of the busiest days (by standing around and simply not accepting orders) until Wolt loses too much money to ignore the strikers.

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        There are other ways to be a “hero” that don’t negatively affect innocent people’s lives. Who knows what kinds of toxic chemicals are in that warehouse and now in the lungs of people for miles around. Reckless, selfish and does nothing for progress.

        They have insurance on all of that. They’ll just move somewhere else and the people living around there will be exposed to ash, toxic chemicals, noise pollution and traffic while they clean it up and potentially rebuild.

        Our hero…

        For some perspective:

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          It goes ballot box > soap box > ammo box.

          These people are just about at step 3. They have been mired in a cold class war their whole lives that is starting to get hot.

          It is true that warfare is a grievous waste of resources, but I think the only appropriate place to put the blame for all of that waste is on the aggressor.

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            So if your family lived next to a warehouse and I burned it down and it spread to the neighborhood your family lived in and they lost their house and maybe lives, even though I physically started the fire I would get a pass from you?

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              No, I would be even more devastated than I am now, because in addition to my planet, country, town, and general environment, my family is also harmed by the war going on around me.

              These people are taking up arms against those trading on them, and war is messy. You can blame the combatant for the specific harms he causes like you are in this case, but that is very philosophically close to blaming a bullet for a murder rather than the shooter. The combatant does have agency and culpability of his own, but not in the broader context of the combat he is in. In that context, those that created that scenario are the “shooters” and the individual actors are the “bullets”.

              I’m not mad at the North Korean soldier that killed my great uncle nearly as much as I am at the North Korean leadership and their enablers, and my own government, who together made that situation the hell that it was.

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                That’s a real slippery slope. If you go back through history you’re essentially saying Israel’s current genocide is just a product of the oppression they’ve faced from multiple civilizations/countries (e.g. Egypt, Rome, Germany, etc.)

                Based on your logic, what Israel is doing is bad, but really we shouldn’t be mad at them. We should be mad at their oppressors.

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                  Except for violence being involved, your example is not materially similar, though. Most of the oppression of ethnic Jews you’re referring to predates Israel’s existence, and certainly the existence of almost all present-day Israelis. Israel is playing the role of aggressor at this time in history; they did not suffer the oppression of their ancestors, and it was not perpetrated by any of the people they are fighting today.

                  In the scenario I’ve described and those like it, there is a conflict between people that feel oppressed and those they feel are oppressing them–right now. It is not about revenge or settling an old slight, but about getting their current material conditions improved, as is clear from the fact that such a demand was made during the video from this terrible incident.

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              Yes, because I would have the solidarity enough to not blame you for fighting back against the oppression of the owning class.

              The owning class is to blame, not the people fighting back against their own oppression.

              Thousands of people die every day due to the actions of the owning class. Yet they get a pass because “it’s just business”.

              This is class war. Fighting back inherently comes with risks. Misfortune happens. But having class consciousness let’s you understand where to place the blame.

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                Ok so then you don’t blame Israel for their genocide because of the oppression they’ve faced throughout history?

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                  No, I blame Israel entirely, because what they are doing now has nothing to do with the oppression the Jewish people have faced in the past. They are not fighting back against oppression. They are actively being the oppressors. It is a clear and distinct difference.

                  Also, it is entirely disingenuous to conflate the Israeli state with the Jewish people. Stop that Zionist bullshit

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    The pitchfork should be used far more often in any society where the wealth gap goes above a significant level like in the US, UK etc.