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Turns out passion, curiosity, and purpose are way stronger motivators than profit ever was 😅
It depends on the person. I’ve known people who are much more motivated by money. Some of them ended up in prison, some are doing quite well, and some are still trying.
Honestly, I sometimes wish I were more money-motivated. I’m very lucky that my passion happens to earn a good salary (for now), but I gave up my business for it.
Everything depends on the person. Hitler could have been a great artist if he wasn’t a genocidal maniac. 🤣
And Trump could have been great… well, person if he wasn’t, eh… Trump. 🤷🏻
Problem being the jobs that don’t inspire passion, curiosity, and purpose, but we still need them to get done.
Maybe the problem in our society is the people who are only motivated by profit.
"Without the fear of poverty, no one would be submissive "
It’s one of those “every accusation is a confession”. People are thinking about themselves when talking about others.
Volunteer firefighters do actually still get paid a lot of the time.
Source: Was volunteer firefighter. Was paid per-call.
Same, 6 years from 2005-2011, $7.50 an hour for a call was great money in 2005. I think we were up to $10 by the time I quit
I was thinking that was shit money, but I was making $2.13 as a waiter in 1999-2000, so that’s about right. I made $5.15 for awhile, then min wage was finally raised to $7.25, where it’s been for almost 20 years.
Thanks for sharing that - out of curiosity, would you still have done it if it wasn’t paid? No judgment, just curious!
Most firefighters in the U.S. are volunteer, and make no money at all. Being paid per call is not the norm.
Hell yeah! I didn’t even know I would be getting paid until I went down to the station to ask how I sign up.
Good for you! Thanks for being a good human <3
Isn’t it just a small stipend? Nothing you could live on, even if houses were burning down 40 hours a week.
The entire fucking internet they use to spread their propaganda runs chiefly on FOSS
Is it fair to compare Linux and Windows in this context? 👾
I think that’s a great comparison - and we could broaden the analogy a bit, too. Windows is an example of the means of production being privatized, and Linux is more of an example of a more socially owned means of production (to a certain extent). We see that the development of Windows follows the incentives of shareholders - towards AI, advertisements, dark patterns, data gathering and so on, whereas the development of Linux and open source software follows the incentives of the users and the developers, towards things that actually add value to the lives of the people who use it.
Most creative people don’t profit from their creations. Some do. Most don’t.
Even more powerful examples, despite threat of persecution at the hands of Oligarchs and the state instruments these persist: Sci-hub, Library genesis
in some sense these are cool duties, let me know when someone voluntarily emptied septic tanks of other people
When I was young I lived in a commune of sorts, with artists and hippies* and what not. Every few weeks a couple of us did just that, because why wouldn’t we?
Also later when I worked in a group home for elderly autistic people in all shapes and sizes that experience came in handy as I was used to the smell. Usually I ended up doing the shittiest (harhar) cleaning duties and it never really bothered me even though we were supposed to rotate. One of the nurses with over a decade of experience refused to even enter a room while I was emptying the stomach contents of one particularly tricky patient (he essentially had plugs straight into his stomach for both in and output, they definitely generated some interesting smells).
Sure, I got paid for the latter half, but I still did that stuff daily for years.
Later when I became a father there was absolutely nothing that could faze me anymore. Sort of glad I got to experience all that, weirdly enough. I even miss that job sometimes, felt like I at least did something meaningful.
If something really needs to get done, like repairing necessary sewer systems, then it will get done, because it needs to. Do you really think that people who have the skills to repair the water treatment plant are going to just deal with sewage backing up into their home because they don’t want to do the work?
For a more comprehensive analysis of the question, I’d direct your attention towards an anarchist FAQ. I’ll quote a few choice sections below, but the link goes into great detail, comparing and contrasting multiple approaches to handling the problem.
There are some jobs that few, if any, would enjoy (for example, collecting rubbish, processing sewage, dangerous work, etc.). So how would an anarchist society deal with it?
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It would be easy to imagine a free community sharing such tasks as fairly as possible between a community’s members by, for example, allocating a few days a month to all fit members of a community to do work which no one volunteers to do. This would soon ensure that it would be done, particularly if it were part of a festival or before a party. In this way, every one shares in the unpleasant as well as pleasant tasks (and, of course, minimises the time any one individual has to spend on it). Or, for tasks which are very popular, individuals would also have to do unpleasant tasks as well. In this way, popular and unpopular tasks could balance each other out. Or such tasks could be rotated randomly by lottery. The possibilities are many and, undoubtedly, a free people will try many different ones in different areas.
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Of course, no system is perfect – we are sure that not everyone will be able to do the work they enjoy the most (this is also the case under capitalism, we may add). In an anarchist society every method of ensuring that individuals pursue the work they are interested in would be investigated. If a possible solution can be found, we are sure that it will. What a free society would make sure of was that neither the capitalist market redeveloped (which ensures that the majority are marginalised into wage slavery) or a state socialist “labour army” type allocation process developed (which would ensure that free socialism did not remain free or socialist for long).
In this manner, anarchism will be able to ensure the principle of voluntary labour and free association as well as making sure that unpleasant and unwanted “work” is done. Moreover, most anarchists are sure that in a free society such requirements to encourage people to volunteer for unpleasant work will disappear over time as feelings of mutual aid and solidarity become more and more common place. Indeed, it is likely that people will gain respect for doing jobs that others might find unpleasant and so it might become “glamorous” to do such activity. Showing off to friends can be a powerful stimulus in doing any activity.
allocating a few days a month to all fit members of a community to do work which no one volunteers to do.
I can agree to that as long as it’s a spelled-out condition of living in that community. As an autistic person myself, I like having expectations and conditions written out clearly and concisely, in mutually agreed-upon language.
It absolutely would be, yes. Anarchist communes function based on codified agreements, reached through direct democratic processes and consensus decision making. You would not only have all of the expectations of the society written out, you’d also have full and equal input into what those rules are, so we can guide the structure of society towards one that works for everyone.
For more information, you could check out the section “What could the social structure of anarchy look like?” in an anarchist FAQ.
this picture doesn’t address the fact that a lot of people work to enable subsistence and in this economy it is becoming very common.
Just FYI at least here I get compensated for my work as a voluntary firefighter. Not sure how much anymore but it is around 25 bucks per hour. Made like 1k last year, had not really a lot to do except training and 2-3 smaller incidents.
But yeah I don’t do it for the money, I learned about that in basic training 😁
I apologize for my ignorance but what is productive about Minecraft players?
I think The Uncensored Library project is pretty cool.
Created by the organization Reporters without Borders and the Minecraft design collective BlockWorks, this blocky book bastion was first introduced in 2020 to provide silenced authors a platform in their own respective countries. While social media and other platforms tend to be either blocked or controlled in these countries, Minecraft often remains accessible, giving Reporters without Borders a way to circumvent the censorship and make information accessible.
The library itself is accessed through a Minecraft server but can also be downloaded locally from their website. It consists of around 300 books distributed between twelve wings, most of them represented by a country where information may be limited. From here, visitors can explore the library and read banned articles in the form of Minecraft books.
They reproduced a library in n a Minecraft world to allow people around the world yo reach Anna archive. They reproduced town, they created a full open work Pokémon inspired mod. They are creative in général.
As depicted in the op, they make artistic sculptures/scenery that amaze people.

They make some cool shit in that game to be fair.
One of these is not like the others
Reddit mods?
They don’t do any “work” but I’m sure they get off on being total dickheads









