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Yes, thanks

WTF are you on about?

Oh, thanks for that, I read different but here’s the key thing that I think was missing from the analysis I read:

But the concentration of alcohol required for this increases as you get thirstier. If you just drank wine on your desert island, you would initially lose more water than you gain from wine, but as your body became more dehydrated, it would produce more ADH to compensate and you’d eventually reach an equilibrium point.

Just the word syntax? Sure. You teach coding at first by example, not from first principles. At some point, explaining the concepts helps in the teaching but not at first.

That sounds like a level of detail it is not necessarily useful to go into with most people. I never experienced anyone non-technical complaining about cloud products, so it would just be proselytising about what to me is a hobby/passion project.

(Not that I’m big into self hosting, but to the extent I am)

Bullshit!

The threshold for dehydration is about 2% alcohol, so no it won’t

The sequel, salt lassie, left a bad taste in my mouth

I have a chronic but minor health condition that doesn’t come up much and the other day was treated to something like this by none other than the threadiverse’s first. I expected better for some reason.

It’s human nature that some people don’t feel, or don’t feel as acutely. There’s also a cultish aspect to it, where because everything is MAGA Vs democrats, all your friends and identity are likely bound up in the same thing, so admitting you were wrong isn’t just admitting you were wrong: it’s completely changing the way you see yourself and severing many relationships.

While your broad point isn’t wrong, it’s good to separate wealth and income.

At best you can call people who do this as having a very mild form of unconscious bias; you can’t infer bigotry which I would say really ought to be either a consciously-held opinion, or if not then a set of behaviours that has a practical negative outcome.

I think the kind of person you’re thinking of is a stereotypical bigoted jock who hangs out with his jock-friends and makes homophobic jokes all the time. That person we’re maybe not surprised that they are motivated to avoid doing stuff associated with those outside their gender.

But I don’t think (and there’s nothing here to suggest) that it is only that kind of person who is so affected. Do you think that someone respectful of gay people, but who grew up in a conservative family and whose father makes comments like that, might not be motivated along the same lines out of a desire to their father? Or is it bigoted to seek the approval of your dad if your dad is a bigot? Even if it’s not done consciously?

Inasmuch as these people have a “fragile ego”, you probably also have a fragile ego. Virtually everyone subconsciously adapts their behaviour to gain the approval of other people whom they value.

The difference between you and them is not that you have a strong ego and are confident in your masculinity, it’s that you don’t value the views of people who judge people on that basis. And that is certainly no bad thing, but it’s a fundamental difference, and making this error makes it very hard to understand people who are different from you.

I think you’re imagining this as a more conscious process than it actually is. The reason you need to go out and research this is because these men aren’t going around saying, “yeah, I was going to put my pepsi can in the metal recycling but I was worried my bro would call me gay so I just put it in the general waste.” Instead, sometimes men put pepsi cans in general waste, and sometimes men do things due to social perceptions, and sometimes those social perceptions are that certain things are “unmanly” and working out which things are related to each other is quite hard.

So there’s no paradox here. All people are subject to social pressures, and the vast majority of people make some effort to conform to those pressures in order to fit in and to receive approval from the people they value. Conforming to fit in isn’t “weak” or “insecure”, it’s the nature of being a social animal, and is done instinctively - if you think it’s done “obsessively” then you’re imposing the analytical mindset of someone studying the evidence on the subjects of the research, which is a fundamental error. It’d be like saying someone who subconsciously mirrors the mannerisms of someone they respect is “obsessed” with getting their approval, when they likely don’t realise they’re doing it.

Also, I feel like they’ve never considered that gay doesn’t necessarily mean effeminate. Or even that effeminate doesn’t necessarily mean weak/meek.

They almost certainly haven’t because, again, if you’re “considering” it, it’s not the right concept. The concept that people are trying to avoid is the one that’s labeled “gay” by their peers, which is really more of a gender thing than a sexuality thing; “what are you, gay?” isn’t a question about someone’s sexuality, it’s a suggestion that someone is not conforming to the gender role expected of them. You can’t successfully challenge that by saying “ackshually gay people can be v strong and they forget to put the pepsi can in the correct bin far more often than you might imagine.” They’ll just reply with, “OK bro sounds pretty gay,” because you didn’t challenge them on what they meant, only on what you thought they meant.

The challenge has to be more along the lines of creating a better awareness of societal expectations, tolerance of people who don’t conform to them, and building up positive associations between behaviours we want to promote and conforming things people already value, to help them see things in a new light.

Yeah. I guess you can analyse it as:

1. Denying the antecedent: “showering every day prevents smelling bad, therefore if you don’t shower every day, you will smell bad”
2. Confirmation & Selection bias: “that person smells bad, therefore they can’t shower every day, making them an example of not showering every day leading to smelling bad”
3. Bias of anecdotal evidence, presumably - at least, I’m assuming that most such people really do smell bad to themselves after only a day, which is treated as a reliable indicator of everyone’s condition.

It’s quite interesting to me, because it clearly becomes a very emotive topic when the difference between waiting one, two or three days to bathe is pretty abstract. I have developed a hypothesis that it’s the feeling of having a shower when one is feeling sticky and sweaty and dirty, and then coming out feeling nice and clean, that gets readily associated with bad odour. I then think that this link simply can’t form easily if your feeling when coming out of the shower is not “nice and clean” but “disgusting ball of skin-flakes held together only by paraffin and artificial grease”.

I have encountered this kind of attitude before but I was actually surprised to find it that prevalent here, because I expected more people to be sympathetic to conditions which require deviation from the norm.

Tylenol is paracetamol, aka acetaminophen, not aspirin.

Now this is the silliness I live for

This is sad, not humorous

I noticed that you didn’t reply to the following pretty important things:

How are you correlating the smells of all these people with how often they shower? How many people have you asked that question of?

and

people of different age, race and sex all smell different, with a common gene among Asian people resulting in little to know body odour.

So I’m not going to get into further personal details until you show some good faith there.

For that matter, you never said how you were able to know how you yourself start to smell so badly after merely 24 hours out of the shower if this information is so unavailable.

And just remember that it was you who used the word “delusional”, not me.

What parts of your body do you wash regularly outside the shower? Is it a non-zero amount? Then you understand what I mean, right?

How are you correlating the smells of all these people with how often they shower? How many people have you asked that question of, because I’m guessing it’s “none” and you’re simply assuming that everyone who showers every other day is detectable by your nose - rather than those being people who haven’t washed for a month.

My partner tells me on the rare occasion when I smell bad, so there’s no reason to think they’re saving my feelings. I can also smell the change.

You’re so keen to assume all these details about my life instead of believing what seems to me to be extremely unsurprising - that it takes at least one person a few days to start smelling bad.

people of different age, race and sex all smell different, with a common gene among Asian people resulting in little to know body odour. This shouldn’t be hard to believe.