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    Trump has not been accused of criminal wrongdoing, and one’s appearance in the Epstein files does not suggest otherwise.

    It sounds to me that “The Independent” has been bought and paid for. Not only has he been accused thousands of times, he is a convict.

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      The second statement is simply false. 10,000 mentions alone are not a conviction, but they sure as fuck suggest he had something to do with it, Mr Journalist

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      Trump has not been accused of criminal wrongdoing, and one’s appearance in the Epstein files does not suggest otherwise.

      It sounds to me that “The Independent” has been bought and paid for. Not only has he been accused thousands of times, he is a convict.

      Have you not heard of defamation???

      It’s the most standard boiler plate statement journalist are forced to insert into their stories by their legal department.

      Although this raises an interesting point. If Trump sued the independent for defamation clearly he would have much to lose in discovery hence he probably wouldn’t do it, so you could potentially come out and call Trump a pedophile.

      Then again Trump seems to be killing a lot of people, rule of law be damned

      It’s why subtext is so important, because this is clearly implied in the article ie Trump is guiltily of hideous crimes hence why the DoJ had to, illegally, delete/scrub files with information in that clearly showed his culpability

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        Wouldn’t even need that at this point. I guarantee Elon has a (likely illegal) copy. Simply apply pressure and wait for him to break.

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      They are under no obligation to, of course, but I wish we’d see the victims band together and ask that any & all parties with access to the full unredacted files release them immediately. Zero redactions.

      There are so many victims though, that you can’t just get them on a stage together on TV. And surely some will still not want to be outed.

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        You know, a simple ad campaign of some brave victims coming out and saying “I spoke up. I looked at the files. I’m not in the files.” could be incredibly powerful right now.

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        It sucks that some innocent folks would relive bad memories from an unredacted release. On the other paw, that shield of civility is also letting horrible monsters have free reign to continue abusing people, or to escape the consequences of their sordid past.

        As a society, we should be able to treat the survivors with kindness, and the understanding that they didn’t “ask for it”.

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          Oh I agree. The documents should get dumped in full and we should treat the survivors with the grace and generosity they deserve.

          Then maybe we think of some ways to stop putting greedy psychopaths into positions of power!

          Our culture is completely on board with ruining both of these ideas, though.

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            The documents should get dumped in full and we should treat the survivors with the grace and generosity they deserve.

            Have you met people? You and I might do that, but you can’t guarantee some awful shithead will, and there’s a lot of them out there.

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      You hope that foreign governments will somehow release us government non-public files?

      Im curious, how do you think that will work? They don’t have access to them anymore than you do.

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        Typically, governments have spies. Those are useful for getting at the motive and intent of other nations, alongside convenient dirt.

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      You can say pedophiles on the internet.

      What is this self-censoring bullshit? We’re not on dear leader’s tiktok

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    Yea, this is “what are you gonna do about it” phase of our government.

    Good-night and enjoy your dictatorship.

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    At this point I am starting to think there might be evidence of something huge in these files. Like the US involvement with the plans for 9/11 or something.

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    WHat’s the point removing them? Not like the criminals mentioned in the already publicly available ones have been prosecuted

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    Stuff like this happens only in nations that are moronic and useless enough to be run by tax collecting pedophiles, rapists and war hawks. They will get away with this.

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        Yea, but US is the one nation that put Epstein in power, and kept him there for decades. Keeps him there even after his death. This one is not something you can put blame on “everywhere”.

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      Really? Accidental over-disclosure or improper redaction of legal documents only happens in countries “run by tax collecting pedophiles, rapists and war hawks”?

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        No, the fact that they are getting away with it only happens in these kind of entities you call countries.

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    Didn’t people complain about the lack of redactions for victims, even though it has now been confirmed, by those who viewed the unredacted files, that many of those redacted victims were trafficking minors and were authors of some of the questionable emails?

    Yet when they take them down temporarily to review redactions, people are mad about that too?

    People have all the documents backed up already. If they fail to restore any of them, then we’ll know. 🤷‍♂️