A visiting instructor arrives at the Academy and uses an unorthodox method to help our cadets process the emotions of recent trauma. At the same time, a cadet faces an unexpected challenge that will alter the trajectory of her life forever.

Written by: Gaia Violo & Jane Maggs

Directed by: Andi Armaganian


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    Hoo boy, that hit me harder than I expected. We’re rewatching Disco at the moment, and Tilly ranks high for me in that show. My partner squees almost every time SAM is on screen, so having both of these ladies in focus was a high point.

    The theme of overcoming traumatic loss, both among the students and in the Doctor’s withdrawal from personal connections… it brought up stuff from my own life, and I think the lessons conveyed in this episode were very considerate and well formulated. Healing through art and drama, huh? Thanks for that, Trek ❤️🖖

    This show continues to go in unexpected directions, and digging deep in more ways than one. Very welcome after a few years where the most interesting talking point about current Star Trek has been the captain’s quiff.

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    “The only thing that allows me to bear my infinity is not having to love anyone” may be one of the most devastating lines I’ve ever heard.

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    If anyone is curious as to why the Protostar crew have only had a single mention, Aaron Waltke has clarified that PRO was being written at the same time as SFA.

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      21 hours ago

      Whoa, Prodigy feels like ages ago now. The unseen, asynchronous work cycles of preproduction are even more of a mystery to me now.

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          In terms of filming, if they can keep getting renewed and finish shoots while the previous season airs, that’s a very healthy schedule to my eyes. But yeah, I sometimes lose sight of how long the production process is, especially with a show that feels as timely as this.

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    I think overall a solid episode. I agree with some commentators, the SAM plot should have been the main focus (basically because that would make it a Doctor episode). The stakes were indeed low, because you know SAM won’t die. I’m also intrigued in how she’ll behave from now on.

    The theatre plot, no idea. Why do they need Tilly to do it? Especially if all she does is ask “What do you think this line means?” Like a high school literature teacher. You’d think they bring her because she experienced trauma herself, but it’s not even brought up really? Anyway, their therapy consisted of reading the lines, some drunk shouting and reconciliation. Not sure this is how it works.

    The previous episode is still the weakest of the season to me, by far. This one again felt like two plots that were a bit cut short. I think the idea of dealing with trauma in these young people is a good theme for an episode, but I’m not sure what the episode is trying to tell me. I think it would have been more interesting to see the War Academy’s approach to trauma therapy (I mean it’s one of their cadets that died) and compare it to SFA, and then maybe we’d get something out of this. Overall, a 7/10 for me with a tendency towards 6.

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    10/10. No notes.

    In my view, perhaps the strongest episode yet.

    Just goes to show that YMMV remains a truism.

    I wonder why the old TOS fans like me are less impatient with fundamentals of human existence being presented through the growth of young adults?

    Sincerely, resilience in the face of trauma is something many 30 and 40 year olds struggle with. I didn’t see this as sophomoric at all.

    So, I wonder why episodes like this aren’t landing as well for folks 20 or even 30 years younger than I…

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      I wonder why the old TOS fans like me are less impatient with fundamentals of human existence being presented through the growth of young adults?

      I’m a TNG person myself. One thing that I very much liked about TNG, DS9, SNW, and to an extent VOY was the competency porn. (And then totally inverted in LDK)

      This show doesn’t have much of that. It doesn’t even have what ENT had, which learning to be the professionals we want to see. This is still kids learning to be adults. That’s a different journey entirely.

      Don’t get me wrong, I quite like it. But it has issues. But then, don’t they all?

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      I don’t have any issue with seeing young adults growing and dealing with trauma. This episode has a lot of pieces working together in the overall storyline, I just don’t think it was that compelling within the episode.

      The drama class half of the episode didn’t really go off. Maybe because I only know the play from what the episode told me about it, but I think it’s more like the actual growth part got cut off. We spend time with drunk Tarima (yawn) and then short cut the cadets actually performing the play with each other. That would have been the climax of that story, them getting into character, relating to it, working through it and reaching some sort of understanding or catharsis but that scene gets hand waved. Probably needed a full 45 minutes to do right too.

      Or the Sam story, which was closer to the mark but still failed to create tension or consequences and ended up getting resolved neatly with a happy ending. Give Sam half an episode to be dead, for people to be sad, and the Doctor half an episode to reflect on it, resolving to do better before tying it up with a bow and it could have been great.

      I love that the show isn’t constantly balls to the wall action and we’re getting a lot of character focus but the story juggling bit this episode in the ass and it isn’t the first to be trying to do too much and fumble the execution.

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        I only know the play from what the episode told me about it

        I was unfamiliar with it too, but I feel like I got what I needed to from the description.

        I unfortunately found Tarima’s messy response to her trauma very…familiar, on multiple levels.

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    Since we didn’t really get to see, I wonder how Sam’s personality is going to change in next week’s episode. A whole 17 years, having an actual childhood, being added to your life could make for an interesting transformation.

    Kasq looks like a location straight out of No Man’s Sky. What a creepy vibe it has.

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      I wonder how Sam’s personality is going to change in next week’s episode.

      I was thinking the same thing. In theory, she shouldn’t have any memories of her time at the Academy to date…maybe the Doc was able to describe it to her in excruciating detail.

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        They mention she was going to have both sets of memories, but definitely having a childhood of her own will change her perspective on both her previous experiences and what comes next.

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        The Makers stated that she would retain both sets of memories.

        Not sure how that would work but she’s not an organic being. Perhaps her original memories would have been encoded and available for access as she matured.

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            The others in the household weren’t up to watching yesterday so I expect to get a rewatch with them very soon.

            I suspect there are more layers in there that will hit during rewatches.

            For example, what’s with the black Borg cube-shaped home of the Makers?

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        The gurl is a bot, and can read and relate to all earth plays in a day of gleeful scanning. Pretty sure she can experience growth from child to teen, then download and integrate a year at the academy and process that input with the new perspective, then move forward still being the same person, just being more complex as a result of the upgrade.

        The biggest issue with her 17 year childhood is that she appears to be alone with one other hologram on a starship, which wouldn’t exactly allow her to experience and process many normal experiences for people living in communities with mortal folk and pets n such–unless they added life like simulations, other school students, neighbors of varying ages and attitudes, pets that die…

        She needed opportunity to deal with real world stresses as they typically increase in severity with age, but she just seemed to get a very performative and sheltered 17 year biological development cycle added to her program.

        Seemed to miss the mark by a mile.

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          To be pedantic, Ake was there, too. (She said the Doctor and Sam were not the only ones who spent 17 years on Kasq.)

          But to be not pedantic, I thought the exact same thing. What kind of resilience building experiences could she have had in that environment? Falling and hurting her knee? I feel that one is the biggest tantrums (some) kids have are over food, and Sam doesn’t even eat. Reading does increase people capacity for empathy, so there is that opportunity for her, but even so, there’s a vast difference between sympathy and resilience.

          I hope they actually fill this in in a reasonable way. Even though this episode was beautiful in some ways it still had some glaring problems.

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          I was wondering about her socialization as well, although I guess the Doctor/The Makers could have created an entire holographic world for her. But then imagine the trauma of all your childhood friends and memories being ‘fake’, so I don’t know if that would be good either!

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    this is great Trek, among the best Trek, all about how to keep going after loss and failure, with help, and, just as important, by giving help if you can.

    it got me all face wet like the end of TNG “The Offspring”, Data’s daughter, but the focus there was more on loss than what Data learned and how he grew from his loss. This ep was a celebration of that resilience after trauma.

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      I literally spent the whole episode whispering “don’t kill SAM, don’t kill SAM” to myself

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      I mentioned to my wife, after Sam had asked, that the Doctor had, in fact, been in love at least once, and maybe three times, but I wasn’t sure one of them counted.

      Seems I was wrong. That one did count.

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    great episode. I do wish the actress who plays Tarima was better acting. I think her scenes were the weakest