My guy, trans women are real, objectifying depictions of them in fiction are imaginary. If you make a stereotypical and dehumanizing representation of a real group of people, I’m afraid that you can’t just say “well, I made it up,” and dissuade any criticism of how this relates to real world politics and its violence. Incredible porn-brained reasoning here.
edit: really starting to notice the influx of redditors on here.
Oh, I gotta be an ally because if I was trans that’d mean all the bigoted liberals here are doing something distinctly transphobic instead of dunking on a hysterical SJW. Y’all really wear your worldviews on your sleeves.
Why are you assuming the depiction would be dehumanizing? Just how constrained do you want porn artists and their viewers to be? Bigoted and hateful porn exists, but so does porn with a progressive message, and the distinction is not which groups of people have been depicted.
If you want to focus on the word and move the euphemism treadmill along because it’s become associated with offensive stereotypes, that’s understandable, but you’re probably not getting any closer by calling people r*dditors just for saying it. As porn tags go I think ‘futanari’ is overall on its way out, for instance you won’t find it on the tag lists of e621 posts because the word is aliased to other tags and not used directly.
The right-wing wants to ban us from public life because they believe a woman having a penis is inherently pornographic, because that’s literally their only exposure to us. It’s not just about the euphemism treadmill, the way porn portrays us is actively making our lives worse. We’re overly sexualized to the point that they believe they need to protect their children from us. It is dehumanizing.
Porn doesn’t have to be this way, but to fix it there would need to be a total transformation of the entire industry and media landscape. It’s a serious problem and no one wants to confront it, because they like their porn and don’t want to give anything up.
That’s all fair, and I can see how right wing porn memes contribute to that kind of problem. Trans women need more non-pornographic representation and not be automatically treated as fetish objects. Still, I think it’s relevant that this is about something someone was saying about furry porn, which as a whole has pro-LGBT politics.
I don’t think the politics of the porn can actually address the root problem, which is that we’re seen as inherently pornographic. It’s probably less bad for the porn to have good politics, but I don’t know if that’s actually the best solution to the problem. We need a lot more non-pornographic representation, but we probably also need less pornographic representation along with it.
The politics of the porn might even be irrelevant to the problem, because the problem is that our existence is X-rated. Whether the porn has good or bad politics won’t actually change whether or not they believe we need to be kept away from children.
Whether the porn has good or bad politics won’t actually change whether or not they believe we need to be kept away from children
I don’t know how much it would actually effect it either way but it definitely determines whether whatever narrative and characterization is present implies it. If it’s furry porn it is way less likely to have the typical hentai theme of woman + penis = uncontrollable sexual aggression for instance.
porn-brained gooner: “Why do you assume my futa porn is dehumanizing, huh? Just because this trans woman is drawn explicitly to make my brain and pp go gaga doesn’t mean she’s being dehumanized, she’s a futa, so, that’s what they’re meant to do.”
Shuddup dude. Shemale and tranny porn is bad too btw, don’t freak out.
I’d say equating people’s fantasies with real people is the real dehumanizing thing. Rational people are able to separate fantasy and reality… why arent you?
“Listen pal, just because you think my blackface is making fun of black people, that’s on you. This is my own dark-urban elf character, Tyronicus, who just happens to also have red lips and is only in my story to be a member of a criminal organization which dark-urban elves like him love to do, that isn’t based on anything in reality, and you’re racist if you think so. It’s also called gaslicking, BTW.”
I don’t know how you people can take yourselves seriously.
I’ll admit I’ve never seen futa as harmful, but I also admit this comparison made me think.
We’re not totally okay with characters like Mr Popo from Dragonball because they’re somewhat close to harmful stereotypes, even if he’s fantasy-based and it wasn’t intended.
I feel like if the practice is based on genuine fetish and not any notable efforts to harm a community, that could be taken into account. I’d mostly just rather culture fights take aim at those forms of pointed harm; but I’d also want to know how many other trans people might feel impacted.
Lemmy isn’t as trans-woke as it used to be. At least Lemmy World. All the major communities are basically Reddit. And the mods are just as power trippy.
Yeah, men typically show up once something gets more populated and then act like they’ve always owned it. I wonder where they would learn to think like that and if it is at all connected to transmisogyny 🧐
Apologies, they’re not immune to transmisogyny either, in the same way cis women are not immune to misogyny. Parents are often the leading culprits in teaching or allowing misogyny to develop within their children. That’s mothers and fathers.
When I say misogyny I’m referring to all misogyny. Trans women do not exist in a vacuum.
“You dont get to control language” while telling a trans person that they don’t get a say in what is a trans slur is distinctly some liberal man shit I tell ya. Aggrieved.
Hilarious to see a bigoted liberal who doesn’t know what a liberal is thinking they’re debating a chud under a joke about chuds not knowing what liberals are.
The funniest part is liberals did desexualize Lola Bunny for advertisers, and we have chuds genuinely energised by decisions like that as an indicator of the woke mob’s power.
You’re being a punchline to like, four unintended layers of irony under a joke that references the gif where Professor Zoom makes Lola Bunny less sexy so Barry doesn’t get horny and he can kill Iris.
What’s so non-progressive about futa furry chicks with massive dicks?
What is this, the 1950s!?
It is crazy how many men get pissed when you tell them that “futa” is a slur; often because “everyone uses it.”
edit: Y’all know you don’t get to tell a marginalised group what is and is not a slur against them, yeah?
Maybe if you’re using it to refer to trans women.
But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about imaginary furry girls who were either born that way or magicked up a dick somehow.
My guy, trans women are real, objectifying depictions of them in fiction are imaginary. If you make a stereotypical and dehumanizing representation of a real group of people, I’m afraid that you can’t just say “well, I made it up,” and dissuade any criticism of how this relates to real world politics and its violence. Incredible porn-brained reasoning here.
edit: really starting to notice the influx of redditors on here.
i don’t know how to explain this in a way that won’t set you off any more, but the vibe of your instant hostility comes across as reddit behavior.
the previous commenter seems uninformed and you took that moment to lash out instead of trying to correct their misunderstanding.
So much gaslighter language that happens to be in a thread where many men are defending a transphobic slur, how curious.
Lemmings are unable to think rationally when someone brings up the fact that porn can be harmful.
Yes, which makes my comment above very funny as it is in reference to someone else saying this, big loop.
And furry futa women are not.
I’m sorry that you are just now learning that your porn world doesn’t translate to real life.
Why would I want to translate it?
Apparently to spare yourself the debilitating pain of being corrected online.
Is someone in pain here?
Maybe I could recommend touching some grass?
BREAKING NEWS!!
Butthurt terminally online armchair trans ally discovers porn is all fantasy!
Oh, I gotta be an ally because if I was trans that’d mean all the bigoted liberals here are doing something distinctly transphobic instead of dunking on a hysterical SJW. Y’all really wear your worldviews on your sleeves.
Why are you assuming the depiction would be dehumanizing? Just how constrained do you want porn artists and their viewers to be? Bigoted and hateful porn exists, but so does porn with a progressive message, and the distinction is not which groups of people have been depicted.
If you want to focus on the word and move the euphemism treadmill along because it’s become associated with offensive stereotypes, that’s understandable, but you’re probably not getting any closer by calling people r*dditors just for saying it. As porn tags go I think ‘futanari’ is overall on its way out, for instance you won’t find it on the tag lists of e621 posts because the word is aliased to other tags and not used directly.
The right-wing wants to ban us from public life because they believe a woman having a penis is inherently pornographic, because that’s literally their only exposure to us. It’s not just about the euphemism treadmill, the way porn portrays us is actively making our lives worse. We’re overly sexualized to the point that they believe they need to protect their children from us. It is dehumanizing.
Porn doesn’t have to be this way, but to fix it there would need to be a total transformation of the entire industry and media landscape. It’s a serious problem and no one wants to confront it, because they like their porn and don’t want to give anything up.
That’s all fair, and I can see how right wing porn memes contribute to that kind of problem. Trans women need more non-pornographic representation and not be automatically treated as fetish objects. Still, I think it’s relevant that this is about something someone was saying about furry porn, which as a whole has pro-LGBT politics.
I don’t think the politics of the porn can actually address the root problem, which is that we’re seen as inherently pornographic. It’s probably less bad for the porn to have good politics, but I don’t know if that’s actually the best solution to the problem. We need a lot more non-pornographic representation, but we probably also need less pornographic representation along with it.
The politics of the porn might even be irrelevant to the problem, because the problem is that our existence is X-rated. Whether the porn has good or bad politics won’t actually change whether or not they believe we need to be kept away from children.
I don’t know how much it would actually effect it either way but it definitely determines whether whatever narrative and characterization is present implies it. If it’s furry porn it is way less likely to have the typical hentai theme of woman + penis = uncontrollable sexual aggression for instance.
porn-brained gooner: “Why do you assume my futa porn is dehumanizing, huh? Just because this trans woman is drawn explicitly to make my brain and pp go gaga doesn’t mean she’s being dehumanized, she’s a futa, so, that’s what they’re meant to do.”
Shuddup dude. Shemale and tranny porn is bad too btw, don’t freak out.
Futa is not trans. Futa girls were not assigned male at birth. It’s a different thing entirely.
Fuck eh, guess you can’t get his approval now.
I’d say equating people’s fantasies with real people is the real dehumanizing thing. Rational people are able to separate fantasy and reality… why arent you?
“Listen pal, just because you think my blackface is making fun of black people, that’s on you. This is my own dark-urban elf character, Tyronicus, who just happens to also have red lips and is only in my story to be a member of a criminal organization which dark-urban elves like him love to do, that isn’t based on anything in reality, and you’re racist if you think so. It’s also called gaslicking, BTW.”
I don’t know how you people can take yourselves seriously.
I’ll admit I’ve never seen futa as harmful, but I also admit this comparison made me think.
We’re not totally okay with characters like Mr Popo from Dragonball because they’re somewhat close to harmful stereotypes, even if he’s fantasy-based and it wasn’t intended.
I feel like if the practice is based on genuine fetish and not any notable efforts to harm a community, that could be taken into account. I’d mostly just rather culture fights take aim at those forms of pointed harm; but I’d also want to know how many other trans people might feel impacted.
Lemmy isn’t as trans-woke as it used to be. At least Lemmy World. All the major communities are basically Reddit. And the mods are just as power trippy.
It was just a trans power trip before, heh, at least there’s less of annoying people like Ada or the blahaj sect, who disserve the cause
conservatives feeling free to be transphobic on lemmy is a bad thing actually
Sure but it’s not all black or white
Yeah, men typically show up once something gets more populated and then act like they’ve always owned it. I wonder where they would learn to think like that and if it is at all connected to transmisogyny 🧐
There are trans men too, and they’re not immune to misogyny.
Notice the use of transmisogyny. What I said was specific.
Apologies, they’re not immune to transmisogyny either, in the same way cis women are not immune to misogyny. Parents are often the leading culprits in teaching or allowing misogyny to develop within their children. That’s mothers and fathers.
When I say misogyny I’m referring to all misogyny. Trans women do not exist in a vacuum.
It’s a genre, not a slur. You don’t get to control language.
“You dont get to control language” while telling a trans person that they don’t get a say in what is a trans slur is distinctly some liberal man shit I tell ya. Aggrieved.
If beastiality is progressive then im voting red.
Anthro isn’t even close to bestiality.
You didn’t have to do yourself like that fam.
I don’t have to, but I sure like to.
Hmmhm
So long as it passes the Harkness Test it isn’t bestiality.
Lola Bunny is apparently responsible for the rise of fascism, that’s the real reason why the liberals (🤮) desexualized her in Space Jam: A New Legacy.
they what
Let’s not forget the sexiest of M&Ms.
… What? You got something to back that tall tale up with?
Yes, dummy, Professor Zoom admitted it himself.
No evidence, then? OK.
Hilarious to see a bigoted liberal who doesn’t know what a liberal is thinking they’re debating a chud under a joke about chuds not knowing what liberals are.
The funniest part is liberals did desexualize Lola Bunny for advertisers, and we have chuds genuinely energised by decisions like that as an indicator of the woke mob’s power.
You’re being a punchline to like, four unintended layers of irony under a joke that references the gif where Professor Zoom makes Lola Bunny less sexy so Barry doesn’t get horny and he can kill Iris.
I can’t tell if this is great writing on my part.