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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.

  • HellsBelle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1911·
    6 days ago

    ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          123·
          6 days ago

          am a passificst, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels.

          I don’t think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I’m fine with the latter, just shut up already).

          I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.

          I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.

          When you’re dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don’t want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.

          But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I’m certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.

          I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they’re part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You’re bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              51·
              6 days ago

              What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.

              The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.

              The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.

              We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.

              Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.

              You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.

        • xtr0n@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          6 days ago

          Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either

          I general strike would be a good first step. It would be very painful and risky given how many folks live paycheck to paycheck and how we have almost no social safety net, but it’s safer and more realistic than everyone trying to go full Rambo or Red Dawn.

          Remember at the start of COVID when we didn’t know how it spread and people were disinfecting their groceries and the feds and the bosses wanted everyone to keep working? It was only when the flight attendants threatened to strike and shut down air travel that they finally relented.

      • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        212·
        6 days ago

        Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          132·
          6 days ago

          Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.

      • xtr0n@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        6 days ago

        One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.

    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
      3·
      6 days ago

      While I agree, I don’t see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said… I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.