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      It’s an open act of war. But at least no one is talking about how he fucked kids.

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        It’s definitely still be posted as a respond from the left.

        The right is showing they don’t care about kids getting diddle just like back in the day. Maga after all means back to a time when it’s the victims fault.

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      If a country bombed Argentina and kidnapped Milei the US would retaliate immediately. But when the US pull this heinous shit it’s fine. Always has been.

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        When you have the US military on your side, you can do anything you want.

        Why so many people are missing this obvious threat is beyond me. All nations should be shoring up their military defense, and fast.

        Maduro is not a good person. But that’s not what matters here. Plenty of countries have evil people at the helm.

        What matters here is MAGA, with by far the world’s most powerful military, is imposing its will on the United States and the world. If you think this kind of successful operation is ever followed up by “ok guys we got everything we wanted, let’s stop now”, give your head a shake.

        We will know Russia traded Venezuela for Ukraine in the next few days. I bet the EU is in pure panic mode now. Would not surprise me to see a move on Taiwan too.

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          When you entertain the notion that the religious nutjobs who whisper to Trump’s ear actually wants Earth to become a nuclear wasteland your disposition is bound not to be sunny anymore

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      And many world leaders will defend it because they know US bastards could do the same to them.

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        An old man with everything to lose if he ever steps down from power, the political and diplomatic literacy of a temper-throwing child with the nuclear launch codes.

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          I like how you mentioned nuclear launch codes.

          Any nation without nuclear capabilities should see this as a sign to develop them ASAP.

          I don’t want more nukes in the world, but the US doesn’t pull this shit on nuke capable nations

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        Never mind Zelensky, if I were Taiwan’s president I’d be looking at the US creating a big naval distraction for itself at the same time as affirming that heads of state are fair game with more than a little trepidation…

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        Imperialism and general fuckery, no…but to my knowledge this is the first time the US has opened a conflict by just straight up taking the head of the foreign government.

        Unless, of course, you’ve got something that says different.

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      Maduro took a deal, this wasn’t a kidnapping.

      The clue is Trump says he was captured, and he always lies.

      Edit. Someone got a deal lol

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        …okay.

        How about, instead of presupposing what he’s lying about and why, we try and actually find out the truth? Reality still does matter, y’know.

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          It’s all over the news, this was an agreed deal.

          Edit lol. Deal done.

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                i’m surprised to see yall so convinced of the opposite but i understand if you just not wanting to sensationalise without data. is the US military really so infinitely far ahead that snatching a head of state is a guaranteed operation?

                i suppose i haven’t see any independent verification that they have maduro at all so could be a bluff

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                  For me personally, it’s the statement of fact without sources. This is the era of AI and social disinformation. “Trust me, bro!” carries even less weight now than ever.

                  Don’t get me wrong, even though Venezuela doesn’t deserve US aggression, Maduro is still a shady conman and I wouldn’t put it past him to sell out his country.

                  But I won’t believe it just because someone said it was true.

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    So this is how 2026 starts.

    Oh boy.

    This is going to be a decade of a year, isn’t it?

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      A decade?

      I see an optimist.

      I expect the wars just to escalate. First countries are running out of water, that’s gonna accelerate soon.

      None of this will end well. And we knew it would happen decades ago.

      Oh well.

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        Yeah, this is watching the Limits to Growth charts. You know they’re will be resource conflicts and problems, just not in what form they’ll manifest first.

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      Kamala would have done the same as Trump because these things are decided by the 3 letter organisations, the politicians are just some face to show to the public.

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          Obama bombed 8 countries in a year in 2016. Democrats and Republicans are the same in bombing countries for oil and donating money to Israel.

          Democrats are a little gay, that is the only difference.

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    So this is where the Amarican people no longer accept this president and rovolt in an unprecedented rage, amiright?

    Like, finally take an example of the French and other counties and finally unite in a massive violent protest, right?

    Please learn from history, it’s the only way.

    We’re patiently waiting and watch eagerly from the sideline here in Europe, come on, act!

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      I’ve been in the US two months ago, in a very Democratic city, socialising with only very anti-Trump people. Not a single one cared what happened outside US borders. They were upset about the inflation, cost of living, loss of privacy and civil liberties, etc. There may be some who do care about the US foreign policy, but unless thousands of Americans start returning in body bags, there won’t be enough critical mass to stage any revolt or even protests worthy of Trump’s attention.

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        I’ve lived in the US my entire life. I wish I could tell you your wrong.

        I can’t.

        Some of my earliest memories revolve around watching the evening news, listening to them say that “X amount of American lives were lost” and wondering why “American” lives were substantially different or worthy of note. A life lost is a life lost. And that’s a tragedy no matter how you slice it. Where that life started or where it lived has no bearing whatsoever on it’s value.

        At least… that’s what I believe. The current state of things has me thinking I might be in the minority on that one.

        As to revolution, protest, anything that could even prove an inconvenience to the status quo… I’ll believe it when I see it. Not to make excuses, but I think forces in the American culture have been working to defang popular protest since at least the civil rights movement, or perhaps even earlier. Even if it’s demostriably wrong… I can’t begin to tell you how demoralized I feel. My government just… went and did this. It’s illegal. The very shape of our government is supposed to prevent this kind of thing from happening. And yet… here we are. One illegal invasion and (apparently) kidnapping of a sovereign head of state later.

        …I wish it were otherwise, but it feels like there’s very little that can be done about it. Americans just… don’t seem equal to the task of holding their government to account. The one thing we are supposed to be good at.

        I can’t even begin to tell you how many outrages there were up to this point. Too many. Far too many for concence to allow. This… feels different. Is different. Has to be different, then the way we’ve been allowing things to ride.

        But… I’ve been disappointed before. I’m certain I’ll be disappointed again. I hope this will be different, but…

        …I can point to plenty of times it should have been different before. Times that would have prevented this from happening. It’s… hard to maintain hope in the face of that.

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          I mean, philosophically all lives are equal.

          But you value people you love, your family (I assume) more than your neighbors. And you care about what happens in your town more than in another city in your country, and you care more about your country than others…

          USA had a pretty bad plane crash a couple months ago in Louisville; about a dozen people died. I care, it was a tragedy, but I guarantee you that the people in Louisville care a lot more than I do.

          And it’s the same reason a nation will care more about its citizens vs the citizens of other nations. Kind of obtuse to pretend that’s not how people work, no?

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            That’s fair, I was quite tired when I wrote what I wrote so let me expand on that a little bit.

            That is of course true in most situations. I should have clarified this more but primarily when I said “I grew up watching the evening news” I was talking about war on terror coverage.

            I’m not pretending that’s not how people work, it absolutely is and that’s the reason this was exploited. But… there’s this kind of… preformative agony to the whole ordeal that, speaking as an American, does feel uniquely American.

            Empathizing with the death of people you’re close with is natural. But when, as in Iraq or Afghanistan, they are active participants in why people are dying, and then they’re deaths are used to justify sending more people over there to kill and be killed…

            …It kinda just soured me on the whole affair to be honest. And, given the events of last night? It’s something I could easily see happening again. We seem to have dusted off everything else from the Iraq playbook, why not that too?

            Anyways, we’re not disagreeing. There was just more to my point that didn’t quite make it into my post.

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              They are yes, as opposed to subjectively on varying levels of personal familiarity. You’d care far more about your spouse or mother dying than a random person in a different country you had no idea existed.

              That doesn’t mean that a random person’s life has more intrinsic value than your mother’s, but TO YOU they will have less. Hence, lives are equal in a philosophical sense but pragmatically that’s not how the world works, ever, or we’d be in a constant state of unending grief at the loss of our fellow humans 24/7.

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        but unless thousands of Americans start returning in body bags, there won’t be enough critical mass to stage any revolt or even protests worthy of Trump’s attention.

        that happened during the invasion of Iraq, and nothing happened anyway… most Muricans are just chicken hawks

      • Unfortunately that’ just human nature, tribalism, nature is cruel and the life that evolved out of it is the product of this cruelty

        There are many social circles. The most immediate is Family, then extended relatives, close friends, then neighbors, then your village/towm/city, then region, then nation, then its the planet.

        Humans aren’t really capable of really caring about thing happeneing far away.

        This isn’t unique to the US. I think every country is like that, especially those struggling.

        It’s not like people consciously choose to be evil, this is just biology, they can’t help it.

        When your family is struggling, its hard to care about neighors, and especially harder to care about someone in another town/city.

        Nationalism just extend the circle a bit, people care about their own country’s suffering more than others. Don’t even have the time to catch a break and think when your role in this system is just a wage slave.

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          People become more tribal under scarcity conditions and the scarcity is largely artificial.

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        This is a lie. This reeks of someone looking to claim they’re the only person who cares about Gaza

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          well given how many of y’all like to throw “just another distraction from the epstein files!” at everything, i’m enclined to believe it

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            Right because if someone says that then that means they themselves also value nothing outside the us. It DEFINITELY doesn’t indicate what they think Trump’s thought process is.

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      It may be time for the rest of the world to stop waiting patiently for Americans to mobilize. When non-US states commit atrocities, the civilized world does sanctions to erode public support for the regime. It’s time for sanctions on the US. Russia can’t be the only nation that condemns us.

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      Like most countries in all of history with remotely any amount of power. The avg citizen doesn’t give a fuck about foreign policy.

      If your country isn’t militaristically weak or at risk and your people are’t coming home in body bags. You will be hard pressed to find a country with a population that doesn’t care about it self first and foremost with foreign policy a distant thought.

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      They want that. It’s a sad truth, but we need to accept it. America is lost, the people of america are lost. This is a failed state. And globally, the quicker this state goes down, the better the world becomes for everyone else.

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      no, they’ll keep on waiting and seeing… turns out the home of the brave was just full of feckless sheep

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      US is far to spread out, and not enough people will care because Mudaro wasn’t a very good guy and that’s about as far as nearly half the US will look.

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      … Why? America voted this, 2/3 Americans either actively or passively support a pedo king who kidnaps other countries leaders

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      Fat complacent Americans aren’t going to do anything. They love the military industrial complex including so-called “left” Americans.

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      See, it’s all the Europeans’ fault. They offended him by not handing him the actual Nobel Peace Prize. What’s a dictator to do, then, but to invade and bomb yet another country.

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        Those europeens countries that keep licking the US boots? They are so happy to see Maduro abducted

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          Kaya Kallas on Elon Musks Twitter/X:

          The EU has repeatedly stated that Mr Maduro lacks legitimacy and has defended a peaceful transition. Under all circumstances, the principles of international law and the UN Charter must be respected. We call for restraint. The safety of EU citizens in the country is our top priority.

          source

          Does not sound like boot licking to me, but looking out for your own interest!

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            The strongest countries of the EU are just a bunch of hypocrites . Just like they publicly opposed Iraq war but was involved in supporting the US military. Europe participated directly in destroying Libya and most welcomed the Nobel Peace Prize for Machado which we all know is just a Puppet for Trump

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                Russia is illegally occupying Ukraine and should withdraw unconditionally. When you hypocrisy get exposed you start to deflecting with unrelated things. Europe major power are still scummy neo colonial powers who only care about their own benefits.

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    Capturing another countries leader just to hide the fact that you are a pedophile is ludicrous. C’mon internal america. Only you can stop this (for now).

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      How do I stop it? Half of my family is still delusional thinking this is a good idea. It feels helpless when his cult is still stuck on him.

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        You don’t stop it (on your own), you work with other people who are trying to stop it.

        You figure out what you’re good at and have time for and do that. In a group. Collectively. No-one is saying ’why doesn’t traxex fix this’.

        If you want to take on deprogramming cult members yourself there are resources available to anyone to get you started.

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      There’s also oil, our perennial reason for invading and making war (sorry I mean conflict).

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        This is ONLY about oil. Trump doesn’t give a rats ass about people dying from drugs. He only wants control of the largest oil reserves on the planet. That’s 100% what this is about.

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    Trump is friends with the Saudis. The Saudi’s oil brings in billions of dollars a day. Trump covets that treasure, and wants the same thing for himself.

    Venezuela sits on the largest oil reserve on the planet. Whoever controls Venezuela, controls the oil, and Trump has already announced this morning, even before his official announcement that the operation even happened, that they will be taking control of the oil.

    Follow the money: This is all about stealing Venezuela’s oil for Trump’s personal financial benefit. Our military has become the muscle for the Trump Crime Family.

    Bottom Line: This certainly isn’t about drugs. He just PARDONED the ex-prez of Honduras, who had been convicted of Narcoterrorism in an America court, and was serving decades in an American prison, for doing the exact same thing that he is claiming for Maduro. So save me the breathless rationalization about flooding our cities with drugs.

    Again, Follow the money: Trump will pardon Maduro once he pays the proper bribe, and he is in full control of the Oil.

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      It’s chemically the same as Canadian oil. I do worry this dovetails with his earlier expansion plans and ability to economically coerce.

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    So much for not following illegal orders. US army is the world’s largest terrorist organization.

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      timeline

      Stop with this shit. This isnt some Marvel movie. It’s reality. You are living in the rising age of American fascism, as you have been for the last year.

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        Its also somewhat witty way of saying that what is happening right now seems so unbelievable it must be somekind of mistake.

        Dark times make dark humour and jokes are often easiest way for people to start process things and it does not equal inaction.

        If you dont want to see remarks like that, you should maybe stay of internet.

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    I’m flabbergasted, this is insane. Why wouldn’t China invade Taiwan now ?

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      Why wouldn’t China invade Taiwan yesterday? Cheap justifications are a dime a dozen, allied fleets of over a hundred ships next door ready to respond to an invasion on a dime are not.

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      China isn’t AS imperial as the US or Russia. They’re focused on domestic issues and spiking the price of consumer electronics by bombing fabs and spiking the price of everything else through western sanctions is not good for the domestic economy.

        • I’m Chinese American, my entire family was born in China including myself.

          My parents really want me to have children. And I mean now I kinda do too, but like I actually want to create life that have the positive childhood I had… but minus the bad parts (my parents were sometimes emotionally abusive, I certainly will not do that if I ever have children). But like when I was a teen, before I really thought about it, but my mom really pushed for it. She really want grandchildren. I mean she probably will have grandchildren, but I’ll have to limit their exposure to my mom… she could get toxic (sometimes, not always)… I know my maternal grandmother said awful things to me, I wouldn’t want my parents to do that to my kids.

          I can’t speak for every Chinese person, idk about mainland China nowadays, but my mother really want bloodline to go on. I mean… she literally violated the One Child Policy to have me… she said she wanted my older brother to have someone to play with… (lol our relationship is kinda hostile now, cold-war like), and I feel like its the bloodline thing… if my brother dies, I could still carry on the blood, so its 2x more likely she’d have grandchildren basically, I’m sort of a “backup” in her eyes (she didn’t say it, but this is how I feel tbh). I had an experience when I ran away from home when I was like 6, and later I asked my mom how she’d feel if I got kidnapped, she said she’d just move on and focus on my older brother… like… bruh…

          Cuz she’d still have a chance to continue the bloodline so she didn’t care if one of her kids went missing (she didn’t say this part, but I’m just assuming from what she said)

          She tells me she loves me very often… but honestly idk, I’m kinda skeptical.

          So TLDR: Many Chinese people do care. I was born around the 2000s and my parents certainly cares. I’m like military age now, those in the PLA were probably born around the same era as I did, I’m pretty sure the parents of the soldiers in the PLA would have the same mindset as my parents, they’re same generation I mean, but again, I’m not there anymore so I can’t say for certain.

          Edit: Oh yea btw apparantly, my older brother is planning to go back to China for marriage and then bring them over here in the US. Because my mom is constantly urging him to get married and she used WeChat to contact her network of people to help find a potential match… so… yea… there’s that… arranged marriage sort of stuff.

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            I asked my mom how she’d feel if I got kidnapped, she said she’d just move on and focus on my older brother…

            That’s so awful your own parent said that to you, that’s so fucked up. No kid deserves that.

            I’m sorry you went through that, it’s not right.

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        The United States has negotiated “Pax Silica” so that it doesn’t need Taiwan for chips…

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          You can’t magically mass produce a significant fraction of the 2nm chips you will need in two years just by “negotiating”. These things take decades to plan, build, train.

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      Why would China need to invade Taiwan? They assert that Taiwan is already a part of China. That would be like the US invading Kentucky. Right? Or is Taiwan a different country from China?

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        Two differences in your analogy.

        1. Kentucky agrees that it is part of the US. Taiwan does not believe they are part of China.

        2. The rest of the world agrees with the US that Kentucky is part of the US. The rest of the world does not agree that Taiwan is part of China.

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            That’s exactly why he is invading Venezuela.

            The courts have been holding him back from deploying national guard - let alone active-duty troops - domestically. He’s got ICE, but he wants more. He wants to declare martial law. He wants troops in the cities. Active-duty, Federal troops, not weekend warriors. The courts say he can’t do that without the Alien Enemies act, and they say he can’t invoke that act without a war.

            So we have a war.

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          1. Taiwan’s constition states that they are a part of mainland China. Their position is that the ROC and not the PRC are the rightful government.
          2. 142 or so countries agree that the PRC is the rightful government of Taiwan. 12 recognize the ROC. And, importantly, 50 or so, including the US, acknowledges the claim that the PRC is making without agreeing or disagreeing with it.
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          Taiwan does consider itself China. In fact, declaring they’re not might verywellbe the trigger for the invasion. I get that they’re de facto two separate countries, but de jure, PRC and ROC are two sides of the world’s longest and coldest civil war.

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        I guess they would just kidnap, I mean “capture”, the president of Taiwan to be charged in their courts. No need to invade, it’s just “law enforcement” without a warrant like what Trump is doing now.

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        Yes, the PRC claims that there is one country and Taiwan is a part of it. They also know that a seperatist group maintains control of Taiwan. If the confederacy lost all but Kentucky in the civil war, the US would still need to regsin control by military means. I’m not sure it would be called an invasion though.

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          You have got it backwards. The correct analogy would be if the Confederacy won the Civil War by conquering all of the states in the Union except for Rhode Island, but then later claimed that it was actually Rhode Island that was the separatist group and demanded that everyone in the world agree with this.

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    Maduro seemed like a dictator to me, but I don’t know if unilaterally removing him from Venezuela by force is the best option. Ideally Venezuelans would decide for themselves who they want their leader to be.

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      They tried, but the last two elections were massively fraudulent, and it’s hard to have a revolution when the army is behind the regime.

      But this isn’t the solution. As my Venezuelan friend said:

      But ok, maduro captured, and theeeeen? Not like he’s the only one. Delcy Rodriguez, Jorge Rodriguez, Diosdado Cabello, General Padrino Lopez, and there are 200+ more people that need capturing

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        There’s also a massive fraud behind the fraud: there was a huge fake polling and disinformation campaign designed to make it look like there’s more support for the capitalists and right wingers than there is. Like…yes…the election was fake…but where the fuck are these 80% support for his opponent numbers coming from? None of these numbers match what’s on the street.

        If you dig through the bullshit…elections would be close…far from the landslides either side promise.

        All that we’ve learned here is that in Latin America the USA really really doesn’t like losing its investments. A lesson we already learned 20 times. Soon most of it will just be Puero Rico with less influence.

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        Now it’s going to be a Civil War, and we will back whichever side will allow Trump to take control of the oil.

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      You can read history to know without a doubt it is a terrible idea for Venezuelans

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      This isn’t about what is best for them, it’s what’s is best for the few USA private interests.

      Venezuelans wouldn’t choose hard USA dictated capitalism (even if they purged all politicians and start completely anew) and this war is there to change that.

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        The ONLY thing this is about is Trump taking control of the Vemzuelan oil fields, the largest oil reserves on the planet. He wants to be the equal of the Saudi Royal Family, and stealing the planets largest oil reserves will do that for him.

        He doesn’t care about drugs, he just PARDONED the ex-prez of Honduras, who was convicted in an American court, and was serving decades in an American prison, for doing the exact same thing of which he is accusing Maduro.

        This about Oil. Nothing else.

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          Always has been.

          That or the first stage of colonising the rest of Americas (Cuba, Colombia, Mexico, … Canada?, etc).

          Or just all the things of ‘why not’, it’s not like morals are keeping anyone awake.

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            Well, he did invoke the Monroe Doctrine in his speech today, even though he has no idea who Monroe is, or what the Monroe Doctrine is. It was supposed to claim America from coast to coast, but Trump is going claim the entire Western Hemisphere.

            I also saw him get excited when Rubio mentioned the $50 million reward for Maduro. I give it 24 hours before Trump claims he should get the $50 million reward because he ordered the operation.

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      Are you 8 years old?

      The US will install an 80s style military government. I would be more worried about being able to decide your leader in 2028.

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    This is a disgusting lawless action by a convicted felon who deserves to face trial for war crimes.

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    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Every country pretty much needs to have a nuke now.

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      Except that those with nukes will never allow any country to develop one.

      Taiwan tried to in the 80s and got immediately shut down when a scientist defected to the US and revealed the nuke facilities and that’s shut down by allies. And look at them now on the brink of being invaded - bet the scientists feels real fucking stupid.

      Eventually it seems like developing nukes will be easy enough i secret that everyone will have them. Apparently it would take many countries like Japan only a year or so to develop nukes in an emergecy so I imagine in 20 years that number will be few months for most countries.

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    The collective WTF said as both nations wake up to hearing about all of this will be heard around the world. We need anti war protests ASAP to show the world we as the citizens do not condone this invasion by our government, march on DC would be better obviously but we need people to at least start speaking out instead of it just being a scroll on their phone til it hits us in higher prices and shortages of products from South America and China

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        It’s this. Europeans don’t understand this part of being American because they have healthcare and worker protections. They will understand soon if they keep voting for facists though