I only learned like last year that you can keep convening grand juries until you get one that indicts. Seems kind of strange to me
But in the past it wasn’t necessary because, as the saying went, you could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. The bar to indictment is incredibly low. So, it’s actually extremely embarrassing to have the media talking about how you keep trying and failing.
Edit: I should have said it was rarely necessary.
The bar to indictment is incredibly low
Unless a cop has murdered someone, of course. Then it’s BARELY legal to convene a jury.
Ahh… To live in a time where “shame” was a thing again…
Not just keep trying and failing, but doing so multiple times in just a couple months. This DOJ is run by incompetence.
They generally don’t though because the burden to indict is SIGNFICANTLY lower than the burden to convict. Anyone that you cannot even get an indictment for isn’t likely to be convicted at trial.
Yeah, except that dealing with a legal defense costs a lot of time and money. So even if they can’t convict they can use the courts as a means to punish.
Really shows how much our legal system needs an overhaul to prevent abuse like this.
Which is the whole point of grand juries.
We’ve gone for a century with prosecutors being afraid to test the grand jury because it’s embarrassing to miss and mostly pointless.
Now we’re seeking out fake prosecutors who don’t give a fuck.
Yeah, just another destruction of norms.
Kind of. There was a reason to create the grand jury concept in the first place.
There’s no defense at a grand jury hearing. So at least that’s free. Likely not stress free.
My point is Trump can keep brining it to a Grand Jury cause it effectively costs him nothing. It only takes one grand jury to indicate and then Trumps political enemies (Comey/etc.) are forced to pay legal fees (amongst other things).
There’s no defense at a grand jury.
My point is Trump can keep brining it to a Grand Jury cause it effectively costs him nothing. It only takes one grand jury to indicate and then Trumps political enemies (Comey/etc.) are forced to pay legal fees (amongst other things).
It makes sense though. It’s not an actual trial, just a test to see if the prosecution has strong enough evidence to support an indictment. If not, they keep digging.
While true, Federal prosecutors historically don’t even bother with charges if they’re not sure of a conviction. This is just explicit evidence that this DOJ is both incompetent and focused on politics not justice.
Yeah, 100% the system is being abused. But like the Comey thing, they still need to follow the right procedures or it will backfire.
Just keep bringing in more grand juries against her until you either get an indictment or she dies, either way she’s tied up for life.
It’s a DDoJ. Distributed-denial-of-justice.
It’s legal terrorism.
The fact there’s no double-jeopardy (triple? quadruple? Something not infinite at least?!) for indictments astounds me.
Then again it shouldn’t surprise any more – the US system seems to have a billion holes, like swiss-cheese, only left unexploited up until recently because those in power had, maybe, some small shred of shame and decency. All those loopholes must be absolutely sewn shut, and ‘conventions’ and ‘gentlemenly guardrails’ need to be made hard, fast, and most importantly ENFORCED laws if the country is to ever recover. I’m not hopeful.
This is one of those guardrails that’s holding… so far.
Let the ketchup fly
