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I wonder if anyone feels like having some fun by combing through fox news and presidential retweets to find instances of overseas influencers fucking with our politicians.
Anyone who’s from Youngstown immediately knows it’s fake because the steel industry died there about 50 years ago or so and it’s never recovered. It’s depressing as hell.
It’s a double joke, it’s literally an adaptation of a Russian meme of “I is simple Russian worker Ivan from city Tver, we very respect mighty jade rod comrade Xi, every week we discuss achievements of Chinese leader and communist party, a hit”, roughly translating the grammar.
https://pikabu.ru/story/ya_prostoy_rabochiy_ivan_iz_gorod_tver_8094383
^that kind
Hell yeah that’s cool to know!
I am maga from Texas, I say we secede from librul states, we have all we need, like warm-water port for naval and industry.
I love that Lemmy is building its own collection of epic moments.
You Americans are experts at outsourcing any homegrown problem, aren’t you? Drug problems? Venezuela. Radical right wing in the core of the imperial west winning the elections? Russia’s fault.
Mother of God, your international propaganda apparatus is so pervasive that I needed to exchange euros to dollars the other day and I could recognize the faces of your fucking 200 year old founding fathers on the bills by name and surname, and you STILL believe that propaganda problems in the USA are due to Russia?!
Well… they are
As a proud new york man person that eats new york a style a hot dog, I am upset about zohron mudani and his plan to turn hot dogs into gay communism.
posted from iphone in Sri Lanka
The only thing I know about us currency is that they’re all green.
Modern US bills are really more of a white-blue with bruise yellow tones (except for the $1s) - but damn is the idea of the “american greenback” deeply rooted in the cultural identity!
White blue, some yellow, toss in some hand grease and it’s just dirt green.
This was more a comment on how the american aesthetic is so prolific that you still think of US currency being green despite it being long past the point where that was true, rather than a comment on what the colors actually are.
color comparison
Historical bill (Very Green) (1998):
Recent bill (not very green) (2013):
(There is a very funny joke in here that I only just noticed, though the color representation is still pretty accurate)
Tell us the funny joke please
The image I used of the modern $20 is a counterfeit one. Real US currency does not have “MONEY” written on it in cartoon fonts (and also it lacks the eurion constellation). The color gradient is accurate, though.
“Warm water port”
Online campaigns to shift geopolitical agenda are deeper and far more vast than just the big numbers.
Ah, yes. As a patriotic American I love our warm water ports like Corpus Christi and Tampa. Don’t you love warm water ports as well?
Can someone explain this? I’ve never heard the the term referring to anything other than a port that doesn’t freeze over but it clearly has another meaning that I can’t figure out or even find with a search.
It’s a real geopolitical problem for Russia. Russia got screwed by geography in terms of natural harbors that don’t freeze over in the winter. It’s why they’ve always had a crap navy, going way back into the imperial days.
Right now, the Russian Navy is based in Murmansk (brrrr. limited routes to get out into Atlantic) and the Black Sea. The Black Sea is bad for them because Turkey (a NATO member) makes sure to maintain total control of what passes through the Bosphorous.
Part of what Russia did in Syria during the civil war netted them a lease on a base on the Mediterranean. That could have had some use for power projection, but I think they lost it when a certain opthalmologist was expelled.
Anyhow, it’s hilarious when the trolls posing as MAGA Americans bring this up, because real Americans just take their total abundance of ports that don’t freeze over completely for granted. That’s why I point out secondary, less busy port cities on the Gulf of Mexico, where the water is actually pretty warm (instead of just not freezing over). Just to highlight how good the US has it. Even if we were forced to give up Norfolk and Coronado, there are plenty of other suitable places we could have naval bases.
Right now, the Russian Navy is based in Murmansk (brrrr. limited routes to get out into Atlantic) and the Black Sea. The Black Sea is bad for them because Turkey (a NATO member) makes sure to maintain total control of what passes through the Bosphorous.
Technically the Baltic fleet was in Soviet times the most respected part of the navy. With Riga and Tallinn being capitals of other nations, that’s a bit less pronounced now, but coast guard and missile cruisers and marines are still important forces to have.
That could have had some use for power projection, but I think they lost it when a certain opthalmologist was expelled.
No, they made a deal with his beheading and allahuakbaring successors. Not sure how good a deal, but apparently the other side upholds it for now.
because real Americans just take their total abundance of ports that don’t freeze over completely for granted.
Honestly this is not as important as it seems. Russia doesn’t have the kind of ships to use global logistics and network of good ports as a system of power projection. Air carriers, all that. While Bosphorus is not such a big deal, of course it’s leverage, but Turkey does let Russian ships out and back.
And Vladivostok, despite being for Russia efficiently as if on another continent, is a warm water port with good location, and used as such, including militarily.
Your judgement in some way shows the same bias as you named.
Very interesting! Thank you!
is it maybe that americans don’t think in those terms, but it is more relevant to russian strategic thinking, becuase they don’t have those?
In Soviet Russia, Bubba blow you!
It’s fucking foreign grifters, because in the present day you can make money from being an “influencer”: all that fucking shit in the US has attracted every Techology savy, English-speaking scammer in the World because every fucking asshole with a computer and an Internet connection in his mother’s basement in bumfuck shitty-shit town in frigging Romenia can make more money in a day as an “influencer” feeding prejudiced, socially inept, delusions-of-grandeur-holding Americans with outrage that they can in a month working whatever job is available for them in shitty-shit nowehere-ville.
(Ditty for American grifters, by the way)
It’s targetting mainly the MAGAs because they’re the less intellectually capable population segment in the US, hence make for much easier marks.
Populism-dominated America together with the ability for “remote work” on the Internet and how one can make money from views has led to a fucking freeding frenzy for every tech-abled scammer with an internet connection and decent English-speaking skills in the World.
I bet this whole phenomenon is mainly a “emergent property” of the rewards and access structures in place in Social Media and that the top-down organised ops from state actors are but a tiny fraction of this shit show.
foreign grifters
I think its far more likely for GOP/MAGA to be buying twitter “engagement” on Fiver, than grifters “launching influencer careers” by directing MAGA fans to their other socials? or spamming affiliate purchase links on twitter?
A key question/reality check is that instead of treating MAGA fanaticism as foreign agent propaganda, it is GOP propaganda outsourced to cheapest providers.
There is a lot of foreign support for Trump among foreigners and immigrants (prior to elections anyway). What they all have in common is a hatred for the US, and a deep thirst for trans/woke outrage click bait. While it doesn’t affect foreigners in any good way, “at least he’s doing a great job on the mexican rapist invaders” is only point of approval support remaining. Really, where Trump fanaticism was resurected was purely on anger towards a trans inclusive world order. Every other policy is just brainwashing people who come for the anti-trans circlejerk, but stay for the tax cuts for oligarch climate terrorists.
Por qué no los dos?
It’s targetting mainly the MAGAs because they’re the less intellectually capable population
I’ve seen a flood of “I’m a Palestinian who is struggling to survive, please send me money” posts and PMs on BlueSky and Instagram and other liberal-leaning social media. Folks love to believe their team is the “smarties” and the opposition is the “dummies”. Nobody likes to believe they’d be ripe for exploitation.
Consequently, your refusal to believe in your own gullibility and bias opens you up to scammers.
I bet this whole phenomenon is mainly a “emergent property” of the rewards and access structures in place in Social Media and that the top-down organised ops from state actors are but a tiny fraction of this shit show.
Like everything else capitalist, it starts out as an independent venture and congeals into national industry as the rate of return grows. The modern era of internet scamming is just the latest in a long history of affinity scams and MLM schemes. People are drawn in out of fear, confusion, and desperation. And because the better scammers know to tip their political overclass, these scam factories tend to be insulated from any kind of regulation or public prosecution.
People who have a higher level of Education and have to think for a living are less prone to fall for pure lies + strong displays of emotion and instead tend to fall for context/information-control scams + pushing of subconscious buttons, and as it so happens the Republicans tend to use more the former kind of scam whilst the Democrats the latter (none of which “my” “team” as I’m not even American).
As it so happens, outright lies and emotional raging are far more accessible for foreign scammers than the more subtle kinds of manipulation (which are more common in the Press: for example how in most of the Press in the Israeli Gaza Genocide, Israelis are “killed” whilst Palestinians merely “die”).
I totally agree with the rest of your post. Widespread scamming is a natural thing in Capitalism.
The whole emergent property element is how, due to in the modern age external scammers that aren’t even directly involved in US politics and thus don’t gain from side A or side B being able to still make money from view alone, as a group they have had a systemic impact in the use politics - those individual actions of individuals who aren’t actually organized (as they’re not even in those political parties) combined to do (or at least accelerate) a systemic change in the politics of the US.
Maybe (probably?) scams around politics in Capitalism also do combine in an emergent way from bottom up to shape each nations’ politics as a whole, but this is the first time a large fraction of the actors in that don’t directly gain from being in politics or receiving political patronage, and instead merely gain from using rage to get attention (more specifically, clicks), and I believe that has caused something else to emerge from it at a systemic level than what there was before since these people care even less about the possible destruction that their actions might cause since they themselves will never suffer from it.
People who have a higher level of Education and have to think for a living are less prone to fall for pure lies + strong displays of emotion
That’s simply not true. Education does not negate emotion. Nor does it negate the consequences of old age or the erosive effect of decades of propaganda. Hell, “education” in the abstract isn’t even well-defined. You get a degree from Liberty University and you’re not going to come out more Woke than some kid with a GED busting ass in the dockworker’s union or organizing Starbucks and Walmart workers.
I believe that has caused something else to emerge from it at a systemic level than what there was before since these people care even less about the possible destruction that their actions might cause since they themselves will never suffer from it.
Definitely not good to see people farther and farther removed from the ramifications of their actions. That said, this is right in line with the 19th century quackery and fly-by-night scams that plagued the laisse-faire economy of the era.
I wouldn’t say its creating a new ideology so much as resurrecting an old one.
I grew up in a country which is weird: it’s a mix of people from the old generation who mainly have basic education and then the next generation over has a high proportion of University educated (this, by the way, applies to my extended family).
The latter simply have a higher tendency for thinking before reacting (even though they’re the younger ones) which is much rarer in the former. Doesn’t mean the latter don’t have emotion, it means they’re less prone to unthinkingly react on emotion alone.
I’ve also seen a similar effect in other countries I lived in.
In my experience and as you say, Education doesn’t negate emotion, what it does is make people more prone to first think (which might mean they stop themselves) rather than immediatelly react on emotion alone.
In addition to that it also gives people a larger based of information to, when they think, judge things in a more informed way.
So, repeating myself, the more highly Educated are not immune to being scammed, they’re just more resilent to simpler scams because there’s they have a higher tendency to think rather than just blindly react. If you want to scam people who tend to think and have a broader base of information, you have to be more subtle (hence, as I pointed out, using techniques like a lot of the “progressive” Press like The Guardian or the New York Times uses in their Gaza coverage such as subtly portraying Israel and Israelis as more important and trustworthy - they “are killed” and their authorities “say” - and Palestinians as less so - they “die” and their authorities “claim” - the kind of subtle manipulation anchored on modern psychology technique which you don’t see in less highbrow media.
By the way, life experience (emphasys on “experience” - merelly being old doesn’t count) confers the same effect of tending to stop and think before plunging into things.
That said, I’ve seen plenty of highly educated people react in stupid ways driven by emotion, it’s just less likely.
Hey, the pay is good and they don’t have to go to the front line and die in Ukraine.
I hate this shit the problems with America and its oppression isn’t primarily due to scary “foreigners” its homegrown and refusing to confront it as such makes it impossible to destroy and feeds into warmongering and xenophobia.
You missed the point. Twitter just revealed that many of the deranged MAGA influencers are from outside the US.
The main issue with MAGA is actually foreigners! Suprise surprise. That is what the meme is making fun of.
Yes, US hasn’t got a monopoly in propaganda and internet narrative manipulation. And this was in 2013.
Surprise Surprise!
While I think there is a huge honegrown issue, the foreign influence is another gigantic problem that can’t be ignored and it was just 100% proven.
It is possible to care about multiple things at a time
Foreigners are just the “others” used by the elites to point the tribalist weak minded morons towards somebody else whilst the very much local elites pillage the place.
And this is not just done to the MAGA muppets: notice the whole bitching and moaning about “foreign interference” from the rest - guess what, the influence of the likes of Russia and even China have in countries like the US is fucking nothing next to that of the local traditional fatcats owning the Press and Tech-bros owning social media or even in relative terms that cultivated by the kind of Propaganda ops we see in action here in the most popular Lemmy.world forums.
Fuck, if you want to worry about Foreign Actors, look at how Israel got most of the West, especially the US, to basically destroy in non-aligned countries at least half a fucking century of cultivate image of being Rule Of Law abiding and Freedom Promoting, which amongst other things resulted in some of those now turning towards Russia or China - all this shit to protected the fucking modern day Nazis whilst they get off from murdering little brow children.
The supposed Leftwing of the US (but not really: in World terms the Democrats are a hard Right party, just ultra Capitalist Neolibs rather than Fascists) are just as much doing the whole “it’s those scary foreigners” smoke and mirrors show to turn the mob eyes away from their sponsors as the Fascists, it’s just that in their propaganda the cartoonish bad guys are “state actors” rather than “immigrants”.
And all the fucking shit in the US (not just the propaganda but its use to distract the crowd from the pillaging by the likes of the Finance Industry, “realestate investors” and other parasites) is leaking to the rest of the World and accelerating the shitstorm elsewhere.
if a weed helps an invasive but native species grow, whose fault is it?
it’s the rich assholes fault that keep telling us that it’s the grass’ fault for growing that caused the invasive species to spread.
who planted the weeds? the rich.
Issues like this are systemic and need to be looked at in at a macro as opposed to a micro way.
You can tell it isn’t real because everyone in Youngstown in a mafioso
Live in Youngstown. It is a full of Midwestern turds. They should have flushed the whole city down the toilet when the steel left.
Live in Youngstown.
Man I’m sorry
My uncle was locked up there for a little while
And the added pain to work the night shift in order to react timely.
There are no Americans on the internet
Some say that there are no humans on the internet.
And people fall for it and regulators allow it.
“People fall for it”
checks the accounts of people responding positively to the post
they’re all bots
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