What is happening?
In a particularly notable moment, the president said that “some of his ideas are really the same ideas that I have.” At another point, he added that “we agree on a lot more than I would have thought. I want him to do a great job, and we’ll help him do a great job.”
Hopefully the G19 approves.
I’m still like 99% sure Trump doesn’t know what “fascist” or “socialist” mean and he thinks other leaders will understand that it’s Just Television either way. So this doesn’t really mean much one way or another to him, ideologically.
Trump is afraid of being dissed by Mamdani.
Trump all over madamdeez nutz
I guess Mamdani gave Trump some gift and told him that his penis wasn’t small.
Bet Mamdani went something like rent is too high became people dosen’t build anymore, you constructed great buildings, people said one of the best, if we work together we can make great buildings again.
I think he’s very good at political discourse regardless of side. He probably did pay lip service to make the situation agreeable so he didn’t come out with a powerful enemy.
It’s a wise move even if most would not be humble enough or secure enough to present themselves in a way that let’s them continue on with their agenda, while also making trump think he’s the “top dog”.
I’m not concerned about Mamdani so far. If he manuvered trump into a friendly position without compromising his objectives and positions, that’s expert politicking rather than a point of concern.
They say the art of diplomacy is saying “nice doggie” while searching for a stick.
If anything this just proves how good of a politician Mamdani truly is. Whether that turns out to be a good thing or a bad thing has yet to be determined but I’m very hopeful it’s a really good thing.
I wish schools focused more on interpersonal skills. It’s very rare for someone to have them, and those that have developed them have often done so for nefarious purposes.
It’s like me talking to my grandpa. When I use the right words and the right ideas I can convince him of anarcha-socialist shit. That said, much like in Mr Mamdani and Herr Dipshit’s meeting we all went in hating Trump
One thing I haven’t seen discussed in regards to this meeting is that Trump has apparently just recently realized (as of the election results around the U.S.) that he’s hugely unpopular and that it threatens his power / his grip on the Republicans. And that it stems in part from how he has ignored the affordability issue ever since he got elected.
Then someone like Mamdani waltzes into the picture and absolutely cleans up when running on affordability… and not just “uh yeah I will totally lower the price of eggs” either. So Trump sees an opportunity to cozy up to this affordability guy in the hopes that some of the voter goodwill that Mamdani earned on that topic rubs off on Trump. He’s desperate not to lose his grip on power.
Yeah, I think you’re right. Trump is a dumbass in almost all respects, but he is pretty good at reading and playing to a crowd.
Pretty good. But now you can almost see the desperation bleeding through the orange makeup. I think he’s beginning to realize that the moral arc of the universe is actually not so long—and bends toward comeuppance.
yeah i’ve been thinking the same thing
ultimately trump is just a populist. he doesn’t care what he does, as long as it makes him popular and stay in power. that can be seen as a good thing, because it might trump to actually move more on the affordability topic.
You’re right that he has no moral compass—but I think that means any movement he makes on affordability can only ever be skin-deep. He’d just as soon sell out the entire populace if he gets a better offer in regards to retaining power.
yeah you’re right
Don’t hold your breath people. Trump suffers from Alzheimers and after a meeting or two with “advisors”, aka handlers, he’ll be frothing at Mamdani again.
He might, buy in the mean time all the frothing hate towards Mamdani has been silenced, for however long that lasts.
No evidence in the past 10 years that there’s a shred of decency in Trump.
Mamdani is a super like-able and successful guy. Trump always wants to be attached to successful people no matter who they are. Honestly, if Dems had faux praised him in 2017 with celebrity endorsements, they could have convinced Trump to sign any legislation they wanted.
This was literally what Obama advised Theresa May and Angela Merkel to do, in an attempt to establish guardrails.
“I expect to be helping him, not hurting him. A big help. Because I want New York City to be great. Look, I love New York City, it’s where I come from, I spent a lot of years there. … I think this mayor could do some things that are going to be really great.”
NYC has a special place in this man’s shriveled heart, he’s been wanting validation and respect from it but never received it. Since he couldn’t get an ass-kisser in power, the next best thing is to try to make himself look good by helping Mamdani’s agenda.
But honestly, if Mamdani proves that socialism works in NYC, I care about that a lot more than how much credit Trump will ultimately get from it.
I’ve got to be fucking high to read what I just read. I can’t believe my eyes. “Communist! Communist! Communist!.. You know, we really have a lot of the same ideas…”
That’s the fucking thing though, isn’t it? I’ll hear a coworker rail against the evil democrats for 10 minutes, then with the slightest nudge start spouting what could be classified as socialist propaganda.
Sort of how people view the military. Employment, housing, healthcare, education and child care should all be provided as long as one partakes in the theater of patriotism, not for those other people.
Trump changing his mind 180 degrees in an instant? That’s not very surprising 🤭
At least he admits that he thought this before. Usually he’s like the old opinion never happened.
Trump understands what power looks like, and this is something that liberals and some on the left, have never understood. Its how and why Trump has always been able to get away with the level of disrespect and abuse he provides his allies, and yet is a supplicant to others power in so-many-ways.
I mean Mamdani gets asked directly about the way he called Trump a fascist. Standing next to Trump. After getting called a socialist. And Trump just g_l_a_z_e_s him. Its all wrestling kayfabe. Its all imaginary. Its TV. Its a fugazi. Its shit talking. Its that when someone else who can raise their own stature recognizes you, that raises your stature. And Trump understands that game.
Fucking wild…
Maybe when younger he played it. I think at this point it’s on autopilot from what he used to understand (some things you don’t forget after doing it for so long), and it’s driven mainly by ego. Which those in power understand how to use by inflating and feeding to get what THEY want.
Oh yeah it’s all reptile brain for Trump
Younger or not, there are vanishingly few politicians who would have the presence of instinct to turn getting shot at into a campaign-winning photo within minutes.
And Trump just g_l_a_z_e_s him. Its all wrestling kayfabe.
What.
Oops already answered
since it’s late on a Friday and prob most of Lemmy is off for the weekend:
Glazing can refer to two main things: in slang, it means to excessively praise someone or something, often in a way that seems unwarranted; i
Kayefabe, is the kind of staged acting used in “pro” wrestling. It’s also one of the first ways in which Trump started interacting with an audience.
Thank you! That is really helpful. I like “glazing”.
I always took “glazing”, to imply a lot of tongue, around parts most unfortunate where the likes of Trump are concerned.
I mean, for the fascist thing Trump is probably like “damn right I fucking am”. He’s been admiring other fascists for quite awhile.
Now if you ask him whether he sucked off Bubba, on the other hand …
Trump doesn’t understand shit
Misunderstand and underestimate at all of our peril.
Another example of “the last person in the room” syndrome that drumpf has. The next person to have snapped their fingers and woken up the piggy will get whatever they say stuck in his mush brain and he’ll parrot whatever they said.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Trump probably saw he was popular AND I’m sure Mamdani said polite things to the guy, and now were here.
Mamdani is smarter than Trump by at least 40 IQ points, so this makes sense.
Pretty sure it’s >40…
That is at least 40 (technically it’s at least 41 but the idea holds).
It’s also read as greater than 40.
That’s what they said.
“At least 40” would be effectively what you stated with “>40.”
The floor needs to be raised. >70.
People with dementia as severe as his , typically show an IQ of around 65-75. It’s highly dependent on healthy adult IQ. So let’s assume he is now sitting in that low range.
Found the eugenicist
That’s overly harsh and a not very good faith comment to make. I agree that mentions of IQ is often a red flag due to its association with the eugenics movement, and even if we try to extricate it from that, it’s not even a particularly effective measure of intelligence. However, the regrettable fact is that IQ has become so embedded within pop culture that it’s not reasonable to assume a random commenter is a eugenicist for referencing it.
If you wanted to highlight these pernicious aspects of IQ, and how using it in common parlance like this perpetuates eugenicist ideas (even if we don’t mean to), then I’d be jazzed to see that kind of perspective. Alas, your comment as it is now isn’t really adding to the conversation.
Any attempt to quantitative measure intelligence is pro eugenics.
IQ or otherwise. It can’t be done. We need to accept that, and stop saying that some people are superior to others. We are all equal.
“Any attempt to quantitative measure intelligence is pro eugenics.”
Oh definitely, I’m with you on that, 100%. Regardless, it’s not productive to just accuse people of being eugenicists when it’s infinitely more likely that they weren’t aware of how problematic it is to frame intelligence in the way they did.
I’m firmly of the belief that far more important than any seemingly innate intelligence is the support and opportunities for learning that we have access to. It sounds like this is in line with what you think also. That in mind, I hope you can see why your initial comment wasn’t helpful towards anyone learning.
IQ is borne out of an ideology in which there is a class of special people, who should do all the thinking, and everyone else, who should just be mindless drones. Rejecting that ideology means reckoning with the fact that our thinking and reasoning capacities depend massively on our circumstances — and our ability to grow is limited by not knowing what we don’t know. For me, recognising that we’re all equal in all the ways that count means that I feel a duty to facilitate people having access to opportunities to learn and grow. I’m not saying that you should feel obligated to explain complex topics to people who you don’t know will even be receptive, but I am saying that the least you could do is avoid lowering the quality of the discourse.
I initially took the time to reply to you because although your comment was hostile and unnecessary, I have enough background knowledge on the topic to guess that you’re someone who is well-informed and principled. Indeed, it sounds like your views here are quite similar to my own. You could’ve written a comment that might’ve usefully challenged the person you replied to, and it’s a shame we didn’t get to see that.
