I’m talking about like your mom if she started using Linux, and just needs it to be able to open a web browser and check Facebook or her email or something. A student that just needs a laptop to do homework and take notes, or someone that just wants to play games on Steam and chat on discord.

I’m working on a Windows - > Linux guide targeting people like this and I want to make sure it can be understood by just about anybody. A problem that I’ve noticed is that most guides trying to do something like this seem to operate under the assumption that the viewer already knows what Linux is and has already made up their mind about switching, or that they’re already pretty computer savvy. This guide won’t be that, I’m writing a guide and keeping my parents in mind the whole time.

Because of this there’s some things I probably won’t talk about. Do these people really need to know that it’s actually GNU+Linux? No, I don’t think so. Should I explain how to install, use and configure hyprland, or compile a custom gaming kernel? I dont think that’s really necessary. You get what I’m saying? I don’t want to over complicate this and scare people off.

That being said I also want to make sure that I’m not over simplifying by skipping on key things they should know. So what are some key concepts or things that you think even the most basic of Linux users should understand? Bonus points if you can provide a solid entry level explanation of it too.

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    (nsfd)

    spoiler

    The best advice is don’t be an autistic retard. Learn pragmatically by experience. Take your time and have fun. Don’t do something just to fit in with losers on the internet.

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    everything is a file lol, unlike on Windows where a lot of things are GUI based:

    • Want to change your grub font size? Heres a file.
    • Your python gives dependencies errors? Well, because the libraries (aka files) are in a different directory.
    • want to change your password and username? Heres a file to change …so on and so forth

    On Linux you have a lot of power, can use sudo to make changes to a file. If you know what youre doing, great. If you dont, system can break. Even without sudo, a misplace / mistype of files in the /home directory can cause weird stuff.

    So TLDR is: be careful when make changes to files on Linux. Dont listen to stranger on forum who gives out command to paste and run. Do your research what the command does.

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      Your keyboard, and every other USB device? That’s a file.

      Random number? this file here

      Ned some Zeroes? That’s this file

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    The biggest “Linux” skill would be package management. It is one of the biggest differences.

    Most of the rest of the advice here stems from desktop environment choice.

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    DO NOT download and install random programs from the internet. Not a deb/rpm file, not an elf binary, not an install script, nothing. Use your package manager or desktop environment’s app store. At most use flatpak or snap packages.

    Linux gets its reputation for not getting malware from the same place Mac does: It has a managed app repository where you get all your software from. Difference is Mac doesn’t let you install arbitrary programs at all, while Linux expects you to know better than to do that. Someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing downloading Linux programs from random websites will inevitably hit one of the super rare Linux malware in the wild.

    Even ignoring security issues, running an install script even from a reputable open source project’s website can open you up to package dependency hell. And if you ever need to upgrade or modify it, you’re in for a rough time because none of the existing tools built into your distro will help you. It’s even worse than Windows when this happens because Windows at least expects for things like this to happen (because everything comes in its own installer and handles updates separately) and has UX elements to help non tech savvy users deal with their mess of apps, Linux expects anyone bypassing the normal package manager to know what they’re doing and if you don’t, it won’t be a good day for you.

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      The average day of a “computer wiz” on debian (me):

      sudo apt install ./randomshitfromgithub.deb

      sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list pastes stuff in

      “Oh no something isn’t working right!” Pastes some slop from chatgpt into the terminal

      9 months later

      “This shits fucked beyond repair, time for a clean install!”

      Honestly? Not much different than my experience with windows. ;P

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      Great response, which also helps to answer one of the first questions from non-tech users: which anti-virus do I download for Linux?

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      Since when does Mac not let you install whatever program you want? Are you thinking of iOS?

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        I think it’s like by default not allowed but there are settings you can change but you have to go through a bunch of warnings and scare prompts

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        As far as I know when you download a dmg, the OS checks its signatures against Apple’s registry and only allows installation if it’s approved. The developer would have submitted the app to Apple (for like $100) for them to inspect even if it’s not on the “official” app store.

        Not a Mac user so please call me out if I’m just talking out my ass.

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            In a better time, yes. These days it’ll throw a warning that the application can’t be trusted and offers to throw it in the bin. You have to run a command in the terminal now. Every time the app updates.

            LibreWolf has updated?

            Gotta do the dance again. Every. Fucking. Time.

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                Yes it’s impossible to do it fully now :( but you can open programs from unapproved developers by going into settings > security > and select “open anyways”. It’s kinda a hassle when you like using open source software.

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      Sadly, just the store doesn’t work for many professional programs and non-free software.

      Segger j-link, renesas go hub, Nordic tools, etc… (though AUR solves this on arch distros)

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      Also, for Arch folk: AUR isn’t a traditional repo. Always be careful what you pull from there. Check pkgbuild files for weird shit and avoid unpopular bin files.

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      Now the KDE Discover store on Kubuntu needs to let me say no when an app asks for “Full Access: Can Access Everything on your System”. It’s a bloody text editor, what access could it possibly need.

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    One thing that many guides tend to skip is how to install software. People coming from Windows might try to install software the “Windows way” by going to the website and downloading them. That is just likely to cause pain and suffering for a number of reasons.

    Instead, every beginner friendly distro has its own flavour of software centre that users should be encouraged to use instead. Maybe even include a link to flathub in the guide or something.

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      Just going to second this because I had to complain about the process being a pain here on Lemmy, which earned a lot of upvotes, before someone asked how I used the software center and I said the same as the Microsoft Store which was to say not at all. The number of downvotes told me I was way off and I needed to give it a fresh look.

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      Instead, every beginner friendly distro has its own flavour of software centre

      And they generally run like dogshit, unfortunately. Bazar on Bazzite is the only one I’ve found so far that doesn’t have me run for the terminal immediately

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        I think the main reason why it do not suck it because bazar is made to target flatpak, while other app center is dealing with native packages too.

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    I set up Mint for a non-techy relative on their old desktop.

    • Their use-case is almost entirely web browser, so there was no need to cover installing programs. Click the same browser icon and it should behave basically the same way.
    • No need to explain the terminal beyond “this is where you can type advanced commands, you don’t need to worry about it”.
    • If there’s an error message, read it and try to understand what it’s actually saying rather than just dismissing it. Do a web search if you’re feeling confident, send me a photo of the screen if you’re not.
    • Explain how to install updates (or just configure automatic backups and updates for them).
    • Explain when and why the computer will ask for a password (e.g. login and updates) and how that password is for the computer, not for their email or whatever.
    • Explain the basics of folders. This is your home directory, here’s where downloads go, here’s how to create a folder and drag your files into it.
    • Tell them not to panic. I’ve seen a lot of older people terrified of pressing the wrong button, make sure they know how to understand what they’re doing and undo their mistakes.
    • Be patient!
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    Backing up a copy of that config file, before editing it.

    If you brick or break anything, rolling back to a working-state is much easier.

    --//–

    You can manually cp a 2nd version of the files, or there are tools to automatically backup for you.

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    Trusted sources, only.

    Same as Windows, Android: sideloading (tarballs, flatpaks, snaps whatever) is a no-no.

    Like bash curl install.sh bad

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      I’m not sure this is great advice. In principle it is. But you can’t tell a windows user “yes. You know how many of the programs you used to use are not available because they don’t make a Linux version? Well a lot of the ones that do you shouldn’t use even though the distro supports it for reasons you don’t understand”

      That is better advice for an intermediate used learning about the dangers (or lack there of) sideloading.

      In general o disagree with your stance on a basically semantic reasons: the definition of a trusted source. If I trust a software manufacturer and they tell me to use their flatpak, it’s fine because they are trusted, regardless of the format. What I do not like are things like the AUR

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    I think the biggest fundamental concept for any computer regardless of operating system is filesystem hierarchy. The concept of nested folders is core to using a personal computer, but for the last two decades UI/X teams have done everything in their power to obscure and abstract it away. Many younger people conceptualize the storage on their device as just an amorphous blob that apps manage autonomously. Windows is starting to go this way as well with OneDrive being sold as the way to manage all your data, but on Linux the file system is still king.

    Your mom is presumably old enough to have some experience with desktop PCs, so hopefully that basic hurdle is already cleared. And honestly once someone is at that level of base competence, along with basic interface concepts like how to use a mouse and keyboard, clicking on icons, use of a web browser etc, with the right distro you really don’t need to explain much else. There might be a few quirks of the UI to explain depending on what you choose, but most of that can be handled by just watching them use the computer for a bit, and/or asking them to give you a list of questions and annoyances after they use it for a few days.

    The biggest difference is one that most “I just want it to work” users will actually love, and that’s relearning how to install software. Having one central location to install verified software from is a change from the wild west of downloading installers from the internet, but it shouldn’t be a difficult transition. Most people these days don’t even install software beyond maybe Zoom, so you can probably get away with just installing any third party software they need in the initial setup.

    I recommend an immutable distro like Fedora Silverblue, at least if a) you’re setting it up and are reasonably technical, and b) you don’t want to go over and help them fix stuff often. I set my mom’s laptop up with it 4+ years ago and she’s only had one problem since then.

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      Yo mama so old she has experience with desktop computers.

      Was not expecting a yo mama joke in this 🤣🤣

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      Facts, but lowkey a tagging filesystem instead of a tree one would be amazing, that would be an amorphous blob I’d love to see

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    I find that one of the biggest differences is the file ownership/group design, and the non admin user. Sure, it might not come up in a straightforward manner, but it will.

    Why do I need to put in a password all the time? How come I can’t just move this file to another drive?

    This might be too “advanced” for what you’re looking for, but I think even basic usage comes across this.

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      i came here to say this. I was really frustrated for a while figuring this out and understanding how it really makes things more secure, even if you’re the only one using the computer. At first it drove me nuts when my server would auto create a folder for media and I’d attempt to change some files within and not have permission, like, my account should have access to everything.

      Changing access permissions without understanding how/why completely borked my first install by setting a user without sudo privileges as primary (or something, I still don’t know what I did haha) but I couldn’t sudo anything and was locked on that profile.

      I started by just using Nautilus but this is not good practice so I learned the basics and it finally started making sense.

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        Yeah, I always bring this up because it’s what I dealt with. Mind you, it was amplified because I set up a media server right away and got seriously confused.

        What? Permissions don’t get inherited? OK fine, so how do you set permissions? This site says 755 and this site says drwxr-xr-x. Can’t I just get a straight answer?

        It’s a fundamental functioning difference between the OS’s that not a lot of people talk about when talking about switching.

        Even my Windows machine that is set up with an admin/user structure (as God intended) doesn’t give me any fuss with file access.

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    The bottom level of your file system is /, not C:, and other drives or partitions you have will be represented in subfolders like mnt or something.

    Everything is represented as a file, even things that are not strictly speaking a file on your primary hard drive.

    The part that you interact with the most, your graphical user interface, has a particular name, like gnome, kde, xfce, icewm, etc.

    When you have to open a terminal, you might be interacting with different shells as well, but it will usually be bash.

    Always install from the repos unless your nerdy friend who helped you get set up says it’s okay to download this or that particular app.

    Maybe include a bit about how to run regular backups automatically.

    And also list out different alternative programs relative to what they might be used to in a Microsoft environment.

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      Came here to say drive letters. That’s a weird one for converts. A guide for noobies should explain that drive is mounted somewhere in the file structure. Cover how to find it, and how to mount it where you want.

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      That it is another OS. It’s not Windows.

      I used to feel that mattered, but today websites will detect my OS when it matters and just pick the right page (i.e. downloading something).

      Then I double click the download to install it.

      I, a tech nerd, forget what distro I’m running and eventually have to look it up, when I’m doing something weird enough that it matters.

      For day to day stuff, I’m not sure that knowing my OS comes up anymore.

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    This thread is largely just basic computer skills advice that is necessary on Windows and Mac as well. (And that is great!)

    So I’ll add the ones we skipped that have nothing to do with OS at all, but are the usual issues for new PC users:

    • Give a quick overview of what the mouse is for.
    • Talk about or just disable the CAPSLOCK key.
    • Show them where to find and how to read the “do I have Internet?” icon (usually in the lower right, regardless of OS)
    • (If not a laptop) Teach them that the monitor and the PC have separate power buttons. Maybe leave a sign out that says “Push both buttons to turn on.”

    And as others have said:

    • Show them how to search for and add software using the software center, (rather than download from random websites)
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    su/sudo -Why you will need to use it and how not to use it.

    -I still don’t think it’s wise to rely on the various stores like Discover or Pop!_Shop to do basic updates as they are bloated and slow to an alarming rate while running.

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    Hard to summarize, because it differs so much from person to person.

    I installed Linux on my parent’s computer. They don’t need to know anything about Linux, because everything they use is identical to their old Windows PC. They click the icon for Chrome to open the browser. They Click the icon for LibreOffice to type up a “Word” doc and print it by clicking “file > print”

    As far as they’re concerned, they are still using Windows.

    For a gamer, they will need to know a little about Proton, possibly Lutris and the Hero launcher. They might need to know about installing nVidia drivers or tweaking a few things in the Steam launch options to get games to run better.

    It’s tough to know exactly what a new Linux user will “need” to know in order to use Linux.

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      Graphics driver installation is pretty key on any system but AMD graphics systems.

      For example if your parents want to watch any videos without them stuttering or being weird, whether Intel or Nvidia, they will need the non-free graphics drivers installed so it doesn’t run like shit.

      To my knowledge nearly every AMD chipset already works out of the box on Linux.

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        True, it still does vary even chipset to chipset. Some Nvidia and Intel cards do just work depending on the distro, others require more work.

        It also depends on how “techie” the user is. My parents are 0% techie, so I have to do anything and everything for them if they have questions or issues.

        But a Windows power user can handle some terminal use and other basic system modifications. And honestly now days, most of that stuff is super easy. Like Linux mint has a dedicated driver app that allows you to use a simple GUI to install Nvidia drivers, it’s super easy.