• mechoman444@lemmy.world
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    If Mr Rogers was on it… I donno. I’d care about that.

    That would… Hurt.

    I still want them release though.

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    What if the Epstein list is a list of people who aren’t on their own list? Do we have a mathematical paradox?

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    Oh they will release it after removing Trump and planting his political opponents in it. The fact is anything they release now isn’t to be believed.

    Personally, I’m holding out for the long form Epstein list.

    • I’m still waiting for the complete U.S. Senate report on CIA torture, the full 6,700 page report that was suppressed until Trump ordered it destroyed in January 2017. We hope there’s a surviving copy.

      If anything short of the entire annotated Epstein casefile is not released, even if it’s lightly redacted, I greatly hope it might spark the downfall of the US federal government, the rise of a European led provisional state and the breaking (if temporary) of the states into multiple factions that don’t get back together until we fix the Constitution of the United States (Version 2) to provide equal protection and equal inclusion for all, probably the process of about eight to fifteen years. In a century the US will be the model of democracy on which new states model theirs.

      Maybe it’s a system of sortition. Yes, I’m getting carried away with this fantasy.

      That way it goes down in history that a bunch of aristocrats fucked around, tried to cover it up and the resulting outrage changed civilization for the better.

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    the conservative mind cannot comprehend right from wrong, they only see them vs. us… they don’t give a shit if he fucks kids, destroys their livelihoods, or takes their guns, they only care that he hates us as much as they hate us

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    But if trump is in the list, just keep it secret

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    But for real… Everyone and their mother knows that the prick is on there.

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      True and this needs to be broken down so people understand broadly what’s going on.

      They do not care that we don’t share their level of idolatry. They don’t care enough about principles and values. Have we EVER scored points for pointing out hypocrisy? Have we EVER scored a victory for being smarter and more consistent? Every time we score a victory against fascism and cults it’s because they harm themselves in some way and go too far with some trend or meme or gag until it gets them in trouble with liberals who don’t want the boat rocked.

      They don’t rethink their entire framework for viewing the world when you shoot back at them that you don’t care if “your guy” is also on the epstein list. It doesn’t even register with them, it’s like if you scored a goal against the opposing team and the coach came up to you and said something non-sequitur like “Chest of kumquats, handover lugnut toe socks.”

      In fact, you want to really fuck with them? Act HORRIFIED that Clinton might also get indicted. Play their stupid WWE game, but then, challenge them, dare them to get the list revealed under the guise of proving them wrong and that your precious Bill Clinton would NEVER lower himself to associating with such degeneracy. Hold back the laughter, I promise it will have a much more profound effect than acting “better” than them.

      We have to start changing the game people.

  • Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world
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    Ignorance only absolves you of moral culpability so long as you are not actively creating that ignorance by preventing the release or creation of any information that might challenge it. The moment you do that you become morally culpable for every single bad thing that you are actively trying not to learn abour.

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    Here’s an actual example, or at least one that’s close: Richard Stallman.

    He’s not likely implicated personally, but Marvin Minsky (a pioneer AI researcher at MIT) is, and Stallman said some pretty terrible things in support of him. Stallman was removed as head of the FSF because of it.

    Without any evidence of anything beyond saying bad things in support of Minsky, I don’t think it needs to go beyond that. But if he were fully implicated, I would 100% still support releasing the Epstein Files.

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    The right wants what’s best for their own party and will only complain about something if it hurts their image. The left wants what’s best for everyone, even if it hurts their party.

    The DNC and RNC, though, are basically the same right-leaning party and don’t give a shit about their constituents. Which is why we’re in this mess in America in the first place. The DNC won’t stand up for what’s right when the RNC pulls a BS move because it hurts their own political gains too. We don’t actually have a left party in America, so most American ideals are completely unrepresented.

    That’s why the DNC is fighting against Zohran Mamdani in the New York mayoral election. He’s an actual left candidate, not the centrist-right figurehead they wanted on the Democrat ticket (Andrew Cuomo). So when Cuomo lost the primary for that Democrat ticket, he chose to continue running as an independent, to split the vote and ruin Mamdani’s chance of winning. Because the DNC would rather have a Republican in office than an actual left candidate.

    Which is why we say, “RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!” There are going to be Democrats AND Republicans on the list. We don’t care. Punish them all. Actually drain the swamp. We have no party loyalty because we don’t have an honorable party to represent us.

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      The funny thing is that Cuomo and Adams are probably siphoning more votes from Sliwa than from Mamdani. Hell, almost 1/4 of Fox News watchers are planning on voting for Mamdani. Decent chance he gets an outright majority.

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      And they’ll use this. The same way they used it against Al Franken, who did nothing wrong.

      By the time they release the files, it’ll have exactly the names they want it to have. It’ll be up to forensic teams to try to find the changes and the truth within those files.

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    Never ask a trumper why they dont want the Epstein files released,

    Big bird why they never got cookie monster any help

    Or, a Christian what Jesus was doing with that partially dressed young boy in the garden of gethsemane and why Peter, James and John had to keep watch for him, from a distance.

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        Mark 14:51, 52. The actual ancient Greek is quite clear about the practically naked young (pre-pubescent being the closest comparative term) boy. They all would’ve been conversing in ancient Greek and the earliest records of the bible are in ancient Greek.

        Here’s another thing to think about. How old do you reckon the disciples were? Imagine, if you will, that our kneejerk answer comes from Renaissance era paintings and those alone and you need to aim the number significantly south of that. They were not older than Jesus.

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            Where did you get that idea from?

            Greek was the lingua franka of the Eastern med and his first language would’ve been aramaic. So, why would he ignore his first and second languages, to speak Turkish to a Jewish and roman audience?

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              There exists a consensus among scholars that Jesus of Nazareth spoke the Aramaic language.[1][2] Aramaic was the common language of Roman Judaea, and was thus also spoken by Jesus’ disciples. The villages of Nazareth and Capernaum in Galilee, where he spent most of his time, were populated by Aramaic-speaking communities.[3] Jesus probably spoke the Galilean dialect, distinguishable from that which was spoken in Roman-era Jerusalem.[4] Based on the symbolic renaming or nicknaming of some of his apostles, it is also likely that Jesus or at least one of his apostles knew enough Koine Greek to converse with non-Judaeans. It is reasonable to assume that Jesus was well versed in Hebrew for religious purposes, as it is the liturgical language of Judaism.[5][6][7][8]

              I mixed up Aramaic and Anatolian, my bad.

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                No worries, I’m sure done worse this week alone.

                Yeah, Koine Greek is common Greek, at the time. In my defense, its unlikely that they would’ve called it ancient Greek back then 😁.

                So, to me, it i would figure that he would’ve spoken common Greek, in the way they use English in India, back in the days of the British empire. Of course, there’s no way to be sure of that. Either way, anything approaching primary documents would’ve been in Greek, to a point where it might not even matter what language Jesus actually used.