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Yeah, plenty of people have misconception that it was just the Taliban who the US funded. The US funded everyone who were against USSR. The mujahideen was a catch-all term of Afghans who fought against the Soviets.
Even in Russia people often don’t know this.
They also don’t know that despite catch-alls and such, usually the word (I know it’s pretty generic in Arabic) was used for a leftist-Islamist hybrid typical for that time and not typical now (the Islamic Republic of Iran has some remnants of that ideology). And before that there was a socialist dictatorship. And before it a British-aligned monarchy.
Yet people trained by USSR for police and military work are still employed by Taliban in positions requiring qualifications, or so I’ve been recently told. Will be interesting to see what happens when they get too old. Will such new states disassemble into tribal zones or will they manage to create their own institutions at least for training people capable of maintaining a basic military organization.
This post is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of afghanistan.
I think we should just dedicate it to the gallant people of Afghanistan tbh
I wonder if there’s a term for these kind of ‘unintended’ consequences to reckless foreign subterfuge
Was it too difficult for you to read the meme? Does it need to be rephrased in simpler terms for you to understand?
I can’t say for sure but I think you’ve mistaken me for someone else.
I can’t say for sure but I think you’ve mistaken me for someone else.
For… pointing out that your comment is in direct contradiction to the fact stated in the meme, the only thing stated by the meme, the purpose of the meme, which is hard to miss without failing to read the meme entirely?
Are we taking about the same comment here? Where did I contradict you?
I wonder if there’s a term for these kind of ‘unintended’ consequences to reckless foreign subterfuge
Unless your implication is that there was ‘unintended’ consequences by the reckless foreign subterfuge of Pakistan - which would be deeply questionable, considering that the Taliban did and has offered them since nearly all their desired policy goals from supporting it.
Well that wouldn’t make any sense at all - blowback isn’t a description of something you wanted to have happen that you didn’t expect, it’s a description of something you didn’t want to happen that you didn’t expect
Like the militant extremists you supported fracturing into new adversarial militants that fuck your shit up later.
Well that wouldn’t make any sense at all - blowback isn’t a description of something you wanted to have happen that you didn’t expect, it’s a description of something you didn’t want to happen that you didn’t expect
Yes, which is why it would be a ridiculous term to apply here.
Like the militant extremists you supported fracturing into new adversarial militants that fuck your shit up later.
Again, where did this happen? And to whom? And what relevance does it have to the meme?
Get this shitposter a NCD hat!
😄 lol I think I saw the comment that fueled this post
That’s not quite the case. The mujahideen did splinter and civil war broke out, then the Taliban arose from the US+Pakistani training program from the Cold War with Saudi funding and steamrolled the factions taking over.
So, it’s still fallout from that.
How is it fallout from that?
Because it’s formed from a splinter group of the previously installed government?
… it literally isn’t. The Taliban wasn’t a ‘splinter group’ of the Mujahedeen government, it was a largely Pakistani-funded and supported initiative whose even most embryonic form post-dates the entire Soviet-Afghan War in creating a paramilitary with the express purpose of overthrowing the previous Mujahedeen government (a goal in which it succeeded).
Hey, quick question, who was providing Pakistan with weapons and was allied with them around that time?
Hey, quick question, who was providing Pakistan with weapons and was allied with them around that time?
In the 1990s, when the Taliban was formed and the US had an arms embargo on Pakistan?
That’s a good question. Do you have any suggestions?
In the 1990s, when the Taliban was formed and the US had an arms embargo on Pakistan?
Having an arms embargo doesn’t mean you don’t sell them weapons, apparently. It wasn’t a whole lot of stuff though…
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-03-06-mn-3321-story.html
But just score free points in this quiz, the answer is “China, but they developed a pretty major arms industry themselves during the embargo”
Intergang?
I’d still say it’s related
The sons of liberty didn’t set up America but they certainly played a huge role.
And likely some people were involved with both.
The Sons Of Liberty predated the American Revolutionaries, the Taliban postdates the entire Soviet-Afghan War.
The Sons Of Liberty didn’t fight a literal fucking civil war against the successful American Revolutionaries.
Comparisons aren’t exact matches but the relationship still stands. Individuals are tied to both, ideology they both share exists.
You’re trying to paint them as two totally different things and they’re not. You’re comparing apples and pears
Comparisons aren’t exact matches but the relationship still stands. Individuals are tied to both,
“Individuals are tied to both”
Fuck’s sake, you can find individuals who were Nazis in 1938 and Communists in 1950 East Germany, or capitalists in 1950 West Germany. That doesn’t mean that those three sides have one secret common cause; it means individuals change allegiances - especially opportunists in times of crisis.
ideology they both share exists.
What ideology is that, again?
You’re trying to paint them as two totally different things and they’re not.
What are their similarities, other than both being vaguely nonsecular Afghan paramilitaries?
You’re like really mad about this while being completely obtuse. Relax.
The Mujahedeen weren’t as organized or as unionized, they were scrambled together to fight the Russians. When that was over another imperial force was pushing onto them, now organized they sort of merged with radicalized groups to form what is the Taliban. I had to Google his name but Jalauddin Haqqani is an exact example of what I mean, cut his teeth fighting Russians and moved to fighting US/NATO.
The ideology they share is main entire reason they were fighting in the first place that you’re completely overlooking. The entire reason any of this happened. To fight imperial powers, to remove them from their country. Which is the same thing the sons of liberty wanted hence the comparison.
They’re not vaguely nonsecular afghan paramilitaries. They’re people motivated to fight western influence and were lining up under dozens of labels to do so.
How is this hard to understand?
The Mujahedeen weren’t as organized or as unionized, they were scrambled together to fight the Russians. When that was over another imperial force was pushing onto them, now organized they sort of merged with radicalized groups to form what is the Taliban.
… fucking what
What ‘another imperial force’ was ‘pushing onto them’ in 199 fucking 4, other than the one supporting the Taliban itself, Pakistan??
The ideology they share is main entire reason they were fighting in the first place that you’re completely overlooking. The entire reason any of this happened. To fight imperial powers, to remove them from their country.
“The Taliban is anti-imperialist” is the entire idiotic take that this is against. The Taliban is literally an imperialist tool of Pakistan and whose entire existence and rise to power postdates the Soviet invasion and predates the American invasion.
Jesus fucking Christ.
How is this hard to understand?
It’s hard to understand because it’s utter nonsense with no relation to facts as they actually occurred.
