• ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
        42·
        10 days ago

        It’s just amazing how ingrained the Nazis were(and likely still are though I haven’t been there in years) in Orange country. I remember I went to a restaurant in San Clemente in the early 00s as an East Coast anti racist skinhead. The Nazis thought I was one of theirs. Some server chick had to show me her Himmler tattoo. Whole place is lousy with them. Where the old troma flick surf Nazis must die premise came from. Never experienced anything like that outside of orange county.

        And it’s not like it was even new in the 80s. This is from the 60s.

      • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
        3·
        9 days ago

        Part of it is just how Nazi recruiting and attempting to get a foothold works. They see a subculture with disaffected youth and societal outcasts (especially young men) and think of it as an opportunity. All subcultures have to remain vigilant because Nazis will do their best to subvert and appropriate anything and everything that they can to try to spread their socio-political disease.

        Some more current examples are gaming, the chans, and fitness clubs/events (ex. Spartan Race). Not all of them are filled with Nazis but, they have been used as recruiting tools.

    • hactar42@lemmy.ml
      55·
      9 days ago

      Sadly, it has been going on for pretty much as long as punk has been around, and it doesn’t really have a single contributing factor.

      In the US 80s hardcore was made up mainly of white angry teens and young adults. Most weren’t racist but some were. And the low entry of musicianship needed to get into punk made it easy to start a band, so some Nazi bands started forming. The fans of these band thought they would be welcome at other punk shows, but were wrong. That’s why the Dead Kennedy’s wrote the song “Nazi Punk Fuck Off”.

      In England skinheads have been around since the 60s but where not the racist skinheads you think of today. It was more of a working class subculture. Oi punk evolved from this subculture, so as fascist started adopting skinhead culture the music came with it. It also doesn’t help that some early punks would wear Nazi symbols to be provocative, even if they didn’t believe in the ideology.

      Even in the 90s, when I was a teen and active in the local punk community Nazi’s would show up to a show every now and then. It always ended up with them getting drug outside and getting the shit kicked out of them. Even if they weren’t at the show if there was a sighting of Nazi’s nearby people would go running to kick the shit out of them. Yet, every few months it’s like they expected something else to happen when and would show up again.

      My only thought on why this shit is still happening 30-40 years later, is that you have to be a fucking moron to be a Nazi, so it’s not like they would have the best judgement when it comes to where they are welcome.

      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        14·
        9 days ago

        You still think swastikas look cool
        The real Nazis run your schools

        I feel like I’m missing context behind some of the lyrics but that line is still JUST as fitting. 👏

        • hactar42@lemmy.ml
          27·
          9 days ago

          The song is actually a lot deeper than the chorus makes it seem. He actually trying to reason with the Nazi and say, “hey we’re both anti-authoritarian, you’re just a fucking idiot for thinking Nazism is the best way to go about it.”

          Punk ain’t no religious cult
          Punk means thinkin’ for yourself
          You ain’t hardcore, 'cause you spike your hair
          When a jock still lives inside your head

          This is saying you can’t just dress like a punk and be punk. Punk is an ethos not a uniform.

          If you’ve come to fight, get outta here
          You ain’t no better than the bouncers

          Some people see punks and mosh pits and think punks are all violent. But that’s not the case, so don’t come around if you just want to fight.

          We ain’t tryin’ to be police
          When you ape the cops, it ain’t anarchy

          But with that said, they aren’t trying to be the police. They want to dismantle control, not recreate it.

          Ten guys jump one, what a man
          You fight each other, the police state wins
          Stab your backs when you trash our halls
          Trash a bank if you’ve got real balls

          This section is basically saying don’t take your anger and aggression out on people. It is the system that got you down, not the other people. Take your rage out on institutions of real power, unless you are too much of a pussy.

          You still think swastikas look cool
          The real Nazis run your schools
          They’re coaches, businessmen and cops
          In a real fourth Reich, you’ll be the first to go

          As you noted this is pretty straight forward, those you hold up actually hate you. Scary how accurate that still is today.

          You’ll be the first to go, you’ll be the first to go
          You’ll be the first to go, unless you think

          Use your fucking brain, don’t be a Nazi.

          This is all just my interpretation after listening to this song for 30+ years. I’m sure there are other ways of looking at it.

    • Death_Equity@lemmy.world
      31·
      9 days ago

      My teacher was a punk back his day and fondly told us about how him and his friends would beat the crap out of Nazi punks when they would show up at the spots. He was born in Germany and his parents lived through the tiny mustache man period, so I am sure it was an act of German and family pride to address them appropriately. He would get a twinkle in his eye, as if recalling a fond memory that brought him joy.

      Best damn teacher anyone could hope for.

    • sdwafflez@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      9 days ago

      Johnny Ramone was very hard right. Even praised Regan and Bush during the Ramones Rock & Roll Hall in fame speech. The Ramones song “The KKK Took My Baby Away” was Joey Ramone taking a dig at Johnny for stealing Linda Ramone from him.

    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world
      181·
      9 days ago

      Those Nazi bitches love walking around with targets on their back. They’re masochistic. I’ve punched more than a handful of them in the late 90’s / early 2000’s in FL.

    • Captain_J@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      9 days ago

      Same reason why MAGA loves to go and ruin Pride festivals, to harass them. They believe that everyone else is sufferring from delusion and are waiting for someone like these MAGA or Nazi scumbags to “save” them.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      51·
      8 days ago

      There are people who didn’t know Rage Against the Machine were political until reading a Tom Morello tweet.

  • rustyfish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    62·
    10 days ago

    Normally I would ask: What was he thinking?!

    But he’s a Nazi. So, yeah. Probably nothing much.

      • Death_Equity@lemmy.world
        8·
        9 days ago

        Every group of white supremacists should film themselves being pummeled in order to change recruitment numbers. Any sane mind would appreciate them having that strategy nationwide.

    • Yeather@lemmy.ca
      222·
      10 days ago

      According to Reddit comments he wasn’t a Nazi, but a biker. Biker gangs have a complicated history with the iconography, to the point where even the non-white groups use the symbols.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        9 days ago

        ?

        No. Bikers do not have a “complicated history” with Nazi iconography. Maybe some WWII veterans could have an excuse because they were killing Nazis and were displaying their captures, but no one today has any excuse.

        You know what you call a non-white person wearing Nazi symbols? A Nazi.

        • Yeather@lemmy.ca
          111·
          10 days ago

          The comment had a link to a documentary, the original biker gangs used captured nazi iconography since they were all veterans. It then morphed with the next generation and continued to change until biker today do not recognize the symbols as nazi and associated them with club founders.

      • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        9 days ago

        “Complicated history” of bikers aside–and we CAN toss it aside because this is today–TODAY, wearing such iconography is inexcusable. This guy 100% knows what that SS symbol represents TODAY, and chose to wear it where he did. Stop making excuses for Nazis.

      • Jax@sh.itjust.works
        61·
        9 days ago

        I think that you should have done your due diligence before stepping up to defend a nazi (potential or otherwise)

  • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
    666·
    10 days ago

    So one thing here. Did you all see the size of the guys pushing him out. If you’re a leftist and you’re a guy, eat steak, lift weights, then you too can push all the Nazis you want around. If you’re not training to lift your purple haired big boobed former Goth girlfriend over your shoulders are you really anti fascist

  • P1k1e@lemmy.world
    57·
    10 days ago

    Always funny when Nazis think punk venues are a solid place for them to hang

    Edit spelling

  • jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    49·
    10 days ago

    Some if the comments on this video are wild. People are actually trying to defend him by saying the shirt is from a motorcycle club (which it is) - one that just happened to use that exact symbology/logo. Totally an accident in their part, I’m sure.

    • Mobiuthuselah@lemm.ee
      5·
      9 days ago

      I didn’t watch the video. Was it the iron cross symbol?

      I used to go to this hole-in-the-wall punk club in Atlanta in the late nineties but I looked like a little hippy kid. My friends had to tell me when it was time to leave since folks might think I was there as a joke in order to fight for fun. I mean, not the same thing at all, but still. Showed me how strongly punk culture has a sense of justice and identity, however spectrumed. Good folks. Strong ethics from my experience.

      Fuck a nazi right in the teeth.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    222·
    10 days ago

    You love to see it.

    I’m actually glad how this is going down over on Redshit. People are openly commenting about doing this, and worse, to all Nazi pieces of shit and the comments aren’t generally being removed. My original 13 year old Redshit account was banned without warning for saying “It’s OK to punch Nazis”. So it’s great seeing the same sentiment being so overwhelming right now that the mods are basically throwing their hands up and allowing it.

    I love seeing Redshit squirm under the weight of its users.

    • SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
      8·
      10 days ago

      Unexpected overwhelm is definitely one of the ways that censorship has been overcome in the past. (eg. Berlin wall, velvet rev)

    • wowwoweowza@lemmy.worldOP
      2·
      9 days ago

      The dudes in my town would not allow a black truck breaking a three foot swatika on it to park. Driver exclaimed that it was a free country and jumped out. Our three dudes freely gave him an ass kicking. Ambulance took him to hospital. Cops did not arrest the dudes.

    • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.netEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      Probably Brooklyn Bowl. It’s a combo bowling alley / mid-sized music venue in Brooklyn NY that opened a second location in Vegas a while back, because Brooklyn-branded things are apparently a big attraction for foreign tourists in the US.

    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world
      2·
      9 days ago

      Punk Rock Bowling used to be a thing where people from the punk scene would meetup at a bowling alley. It’s grown. Now it’s a concert.