Starting to think this is a tipping point actually. I won’t hold my breathe but there are signs.
the problem, is the people currently protesting arnt magats, its only the progressive, not everyone is on board with that yet, until the republicans are doing it to, something will change.
Lots are former maga believe it or not. Now maga tends to win through gerrymandering not popularity and tend to be more geographically isolated, so they don’t have the numbers dems do and are more stubborn, but it’s happening.
Hitler completely dismantled democracy in 53 days. Trump has been in office for 88 days.
Followed by US natural born citizens by year’s end.
Year’s end feels like forever away
I don’t have up to date knowledge about this American stuff and what is happening but I’d like my gov to deport and send somewhere far away certain criminals. Why not send all convicted rapists and pedophiles to some desert. I think it should be nationality agnostic thing
The way this works is they make you feel so afraid of criminals that you want someone cruel in power to protect you from them.
Problem is they need to keep you afraid and keep on being cruel to maintain power. So they will constantly be adding groups of people to the list. The eventual outcome is you may be added to the list and sent to a gulag. But maybe if you’re lucky you won’t and you merely live in fear that your government will execute it’s cruelty on you if you ever speak out.
Living in a system dominated by fear and cruelty isn’t how I want to live. Why do you want to live that way?
I don’t know what you are talking about. There is no cruelty or fear. We just send the rapists and pedos in space or elsewhere. Somewhere far away
Is that causing you to tremble
I vote we send you first.
I didn’t commit any serious offences. We only should send precise group of offenders
And this man that was sent to El Salvador. What “precise group of offenders” did he belong to again?
That’s why you should send prisoners
Again, what did he do? Why should he be a prisoner?
Who? I don’t even know who are you talking about.
I am saying that we should send prisoners that are convicted for some offences far away
And when a government gets to decide who goes and who doesn’t without due process….
What then?
They can’t do that here, you have generally some rights before convicted
Yes and they used to have that in the U.S. as well, but surprise surprise! If you put an authoritarian in power, who delights in being cruel and punishing people, you tend to lose some of those precious rights.
Then maybe you shouldn’t vote on such candidate. It’s hard to protect every single law from being twisted when you elect some kind of
Well, I didn’t vote for anyone in the U.S. since I don’t live there.
But my point is, non-authoritarians wouldn’t even suggest sending their own citizens to foreign prisons/camps. It’s cruel and unnecessary and it doesn’t solve the root of any issues. It’s just offloading your problems onto someone else.
Non authoritarians could absolutely do it if they pitched it during election campaign. There is nothing undemocratic about it if majority votes for it.
Some kind of?
Hard to pick a fitting word. I think it is a category on its own
You haven’t been paying attention lately, have you?
As I said not really. What I am talking about is semi related
It’s a general trend lately around the world to send immigrant prisoners away but I argue about making it nationality agnostic
Why should we only send away immigrant offenders when we can send all offenders somewhere?
This way we can avoid racism accusations
Even if I agreed with the idea of non-reform prisons, there have been zero trials held to prove they were actually criminals. We aren’t sending convicted rapists to the desert, we’re sending people to a foreign prison, based on nothing but allegations.
Yeah I heard something about amurica, I was just saying unrelated to what is going on I think it isn’t the worst idea what I presented
It doesn’t surprise me that American execution of this idea is tabarded
I just wanted to make sure you understood that 'Murica can’t be used as an example of your ideals, because it sorta sounded like you were trying to say you were in favor of what’s going on.
Rehabilitation based prisons are more effective than punitive prisons anyways, so it becomes very difficult to argue that inhumane prisons are good for anything. I’m a victim, and don’t believe my rapist should be tortured. If we had such a system, I would probably be even less inclined to report, because I don’t think anybody deserves this pain, not even the people who perpetuate it.
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You don’t seem to have up to date knowledge, period.
The problem with the prison system here in the U.S. is that in a majority of states the counties’ budget relies on income from maxed out prisons. It’s a for-profit system, but there are very few private prisons compared to public prisons. The private prisons are even MORE incentivized to max out their population.
I don’t like the idea of non-reform prisons because they don’t even give someone a chance to try to recognize what they did was wrong and be able to change themselves in a meaningful way. Not to say that it happens in “reform” prisons here, but it’s at least a chance.
The U.S. wouldn’t have such a huge prison population if it wasn’t essentially for-profit and if the “War on Drugs” didn’t happen, among other things.
But the issue right now isn’t even what you’re talking about. The U.S. is grabbing “illegal immigrants” off the street regardless of immigration status now and sending them to a prison in El Salvador. They are trying to declare all of these people “dead” in the Social Security “Death Master File” which essentially locks these people out of any bank accounts, credit, jobs, etc so they self-deport before being disappeared.
Once they have all “illegal” immigrants out of the country, then they will focus on what Elon Musk calls “parasites”: people on disability or any kind of government assistance because these people (including myself) are seen as a drain on the federal government and since Trump can’t stop the funding to these agencies he’s going through the back door and looking for “fraud” but recognize that “mistakes will be made” thus causing all kinds of problems for legal U.S. citizens.
Then when he’s done with them, he’ll move on to people who don’t identify with the gender they were born as. Technically he’s already making their lives hell by doing things like requiring all government documents to show the gender a person was born as, not what they identify as, regardless if any transitions were made or not. For those who have already transitioned they are kinda of in limbo now because their documentation states something that they essentially aren’t.
because torturing people is evil and pointless.
apparently your problem is sexual offenses, which is odd because i’d much rather be raped then murdered or tortured….
at any rate:
how many innocent people are convicted wrongly?
(answer: a lot, but an unknowable amount… false confession is a big thing too).
how many people accused of rape would allow themselves to be arrested without fighting to the death?
(answer: none of them).
how many rapists would just go ahead and murder their victim, since the consequences of murder and rape are the same, and might as well eliminate the witness?
(all of them, now you’ve increased murder and decreased rape convictions).
how many of these people you want to torture to death in some foreign desert are just pure evil and beyond and rehabilitation or redemption?
(most of them are not pure psychopaths, but were raised in violent environments… everyone has potential to grow and change, even a rapist or pedophile… there are many such stories of people finding morality, having remorse, and spending the rest of their lives trying to improve the world).
what about recidivism? don’t all of these violent people keep reoffending?
(an incredibly complex problem, but prisons tend to not rehabilitate and just end up criminal college, making people worse, and loss of job opportunities on the outside makes crime more likely than before they went in…).
many many many societies have tried killing criminals, cutting off hands, branding them, etc… it doesn’t reduce crime or eliminate a crime gene, it makes criminals much much worse….
if i’m going to get my hands cut off for stealing bread but i’ll starve to death if i don’t get it, i will still steal it and kill anyone that tries to catch me….
tl;dr if you treat humans like animals, you will make them act more like animals….and even discounting aaaalll of that, why is it better to ship them to another country to imprison them? we have prisons here….
the one and ONLY reason to do that is to deny them their human rights, constitutional rights, and ability to appeal….To be honest I am not so sure that rape is better than murder or torture. Not sure if I wouldn’t actually kill myself afterwards and believe me I am very mentally resistant person
Quick death isn’t the most horrible thing under the sun, pain is pain whether rape or torture but rape leaves holes in the soul that will never heal. It destroys you as a person.
On the outside you may still appear to walk, talk and eat but inside everything is dead, merely a shell remains. It is a death of sorts but without respite of nothingness
All three seem like just words here on the internet but behind all three are incredibly terrible stories that we are not able to truly comprehend.
If it’s not your desert, that’s called an invasion
If it is your desert, you just sent people you’ve made your nation responsible for the care of into an area that makes it difficult to care for them.
Somehow I doubt the desert will put up a good defense to this invasion to be honest. I don’t know might be wrong, maybe the dromedaries will do napalm strikes to avenge the ruffled dunes
So just to be clear the racist thing you have in mind is shipping prisoners to northern Africa or western Australia?
I guess so, it doesn’t matter what race would be the majority of destination inhabitants as long as it is hard to come back. Just send them away to the moon if that sounds better for ya
Or to mars
Not a novel idea I guess. That’s how modern Australia came to be
This is not how you use this meme.
I just saw this poll (not mine and cannot verify integrity), that if accurate, would suggest Maga are loving it.
The hard truth is that fascists cannot be redeemed or convinced. He was quite popular among a good portion of the German population long after the war. Even into the 1950s a large portion of the population still didn’t accept Germany’s responsibility for the war. The truth is a lot of the generation that was most affected by the Nazi propaganda, the age bracket that really voted Hitler into power? Most of them never lost those Nazi ideals and kept them right until they died of old age. There’s a reason so many works of fiction in the second half of the 20th century feature groups of old Nazis working one evil scheme or another.
I genuinely think that most maga just are fully uneducated about what is currently happening. Most probably don’t even know that people have been disappeared. Their bubble is so fucking densely packed with stupid, nothing real gets in
they are constantly distracted with outrage, so they dont know the actual things are going on.
Even if they do know, they almost certainly are buying into the ‘he’s a criminal and deserves to be deported’ bit.
I have ran into them and most didn’t even know the guy they sent to El Salvador was fully legal
nothing is more damaging to a society than the willfully ignorant.
Now that’s a spicy meme.
The first concentration camps in nazi Germany opened in 1933
And Auschwitz was in Poland
True. People tend to forget the settler colonialist aspect of the nazi ideology
They mostly imprisoned political opponents first.
Most of them closed before 1935 and then were reopened but worse in 1938ish
Lol MAGAts aren’t doing what the meme says, they’re cheering it on, because ThOSe DaMn DeMoCrAps are finally getting taken care of
Yah I am getting fucking SICK of all these “owning the right” and “leopards are eating their faces” memes.
THE CONSERVATIVE ORCS ARE CHEERING.
This “engagement culture” has taught us to keep clicking on things that make us feel good, distancing us from the truth and reality.
I swear the left has almost an equally distorted picture of the real world as the right, at least the ones who spend all their days scrolling their curated feeds. We are NOT winning, we are NOT sitting here smug while the conservatives whither into the background, they are fucking in control of the world’s wealthiest, most powerful country and they are celebrating every day. The number of worried neolibs out there who lost their 401K’s or the like and are booing Republicans at town halls are a minority.
I swear this is why we lost this last election. Too many people checked out, didn’t care, figured there was no way people would vote in such an obvious crook… AND YOU NEVER CHECKED WHAT THE OTHER SIDE WAS SEEING AND DOING.
Fucking 55% of eligible voters showed up. And now we’re gonna lose it all because too many of you thought yourselves the main characters who didn’t need to make a choice.
We are NOT winning, we are NOT sitting here smug while the conservatives whither into the background, they are fucking in control of the world’s wealthiest, most powerful country and they are celebrating every day.
You just described my mom’s YouTube feed. Just metric fucking tons of copium. The Midas Touch has like 20 videos a day, each of them with titles like Trump BLASTED by Immigration JUDGE! or Trump suffers MAJOR LOSS and FREAKS OUT or Trump has PANICKED MELTDOWN as he meets HIS FATE in COURT!!1!
None of this is true. It’s all happy fantasy. The sky is literally falling, but these fuckwits are saying it’s ok, go have a picnic, everything is working out, and all you have to do is go look outside and see THEY’RE COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT.
One side is setting everything on fire, while the “other” side is busting out marshmallows and graham crackers.
I kept telling people that Frederick Douglas helped Lincoln’s campaign at a time when Lincoln couldn’t promise to end slavery. I got called every name in the book for suggesting that a less than perfect candidate was much better than an absolute fascist.
Related: a lot of our current problems have been festering for the last century+ since we didn’t finish the job after the civil war. If instead of helping the landowners who incited the rebellion rebuild plantations without slaves and subsidizing their production, if we ignored the financial and diplomatic repercussions and just hung the bastards and took their assets, it would have served a much stronger precedent and then maybe we wouldn’t have had organizations like Daughters of the Confederacy re-writing our textbooks for the last hundred fucking years. (My grandmother was one.)
Slavery never went away, they just became sharecroppers, which is a form of slavery.
SCOTUS ruled that sharecropping was a form of slavery in the 1960s. BTW, Clarence Thomas and Roberts want to overturn that ruling…
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They need to be reminded of their place as the scum of America.
Which, given proper context, should put them high in the running for scum of all existence.
My conservative relatives on the wealthier side are upset, at least. These economic policies and Musk’s foolishness have soured them enough to question their media consumption.
and are booing Republicans at town halls are a minority.
I checked the mtg one and yup people were cheering him getting removed.
It’s that the one where they tazer the minority?
I just saw the initial removal. Then she talked about how Democrats are violent, to make everyone assume he was a Democrat.
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I don’t see that at all. The only MAGA that I’m still connected to on Facebook hasn’t posted anything about the Abrego Garcia situation since it happened. He’s literally doing the Homer thing, and the shrubs are his other posts about the weather and stuff. He went from posting about Trump all the time to kinda pretending like he doesn’t exist.
Meanwhile, the MAGAts around my parents’ house in the middle of rural Indiana have taken down all of their Trump flags. They were already at a low ebb before the election; now there are only two houses with Trump signs up on my route to their house, and I’m pretty sure one of them is owned by an old woman who can’t walk.
This just isn’t happening on the ground. Only on Fox, as far as I can tell.
I wish that was happening near me. All the “MAGA” and “vote Trump” flags and billboards are still up around here.
My MAGA friend just said due process is only for citizens. I stopped trying to debate with him, he’s too far gone. I’m depressed about it.
If you’re ever forced to have a debate with him, I would love to know about a (actually, an honest) strategy:
Yeah I want him to have a third term too and be as effective as possible, but how will it work if the deep state gets Obama in for a third term and he sends all Republicans to Turkish prisons? Makes me wonder if we listen to the courts whether we can keep the DemonRats/DementedCraps from being their usual fascist selves 🤔
You mean your illegal alien friend? Better let ICE know about him!
Very disappointing. How does he say he’s expected to prove that he’s a citizen without due process? I’ve been wondering.
Unconditional trust in the MAGA authorities, plus unconditional disdain for all other authorities (trumps convictions are unjust politically motivated prosecution, he did nothing wrong). He turned his brain off years ago and just lets fox news think for him.
He doesn’t actually have an answer? Even more disappointing.
“What if a socialist demonrat accused you of being a noncitizen? How would you prove them wrong?”
Correct, no answer. It just cant happen.
You can ask how do you know he’s not a citizen without due process?
Couldn’t answer coherently. Comfortably safe as the in group, confident that the others deserve their punishment.
My good friend’s parents are adamant that Trump has done nothing wrong and apparently hope he continues on the current path.
That’ll change once his cancer touches them. Mark my words.
They are pretty disconnected from the rest of the country both geographically and financially, so honestly, I doubt it.
I live in a pretty maga area and I can say that maybe the support has dwindled a tiny bit around me? I dunno it’s hard to tell. I can tell you for damn sure tho that there are still plenty of people incredibly happy with everything that’s going on. Especially with the deportations. It seems a little less with the tariffs but even then a ton of them are very happy that America is finally standing up for itself. I’m pretty convinced at this point that there is literally nothing Trump could do that they would see as a bad thing.
That happened to a buddy in Florida before the 2020 election, people took down their signs all over. I noticed it in rural Washington as well. I guess they saw a black woman, got scared, and put them right back up.
My hardcore right wing neighbors have anti-elon stickers all over one of their Teslas, but are still the same. I think Fox has them fearful of “persecution”. They highlight every act of vandalism or protest like they’re some sort of oppressed minority so that makes them afraid to speak up, or they straight up know their viewpoints are shameful. Either way I think only the margins are changing as the truth never penetrates the core of the believers.
“oppressed minority”
“silent majority”
in control of all three branches of government
The mental gymnastics, man.
They believe whatever Trump does is gospel and their news outlets convince them the same. He can do no wrong because that would shatter the reality they’ve constructed.
Satellite image from CECOT
I noticed this when it was first was mentioned on conspiracy, it’s probably a scrap yard or something, if El Salvador were going to start murdering people they would probably make sure to hide it from Google maps.
Why would they hide it? Who’s going to do anything about it?
That picture doesn’t really show anything.
Germans in 1941: 🙈 well “prisons aren’t supposed to be fun”, these grainy “photos don’t really show anything.” “There are only 241 released deaths in the camps, I’m sure everything is completely fine there”
I think they mean it’s hard to tell what the fuck is even in this picture it looks like there isn’t even 241 pixels in it
I see what appears to be a puddle of blood.
It looks like an orgy to me. This photo means nothing. CECOT needs to be shut down, but not because of this picture.
There’s only like two pixels. We need more info.
Remember they voted for the driver and we all have to be onboard for the car crash.
It’s not a car crash for them.
They just want to make the rest of the country a vile sewer like the south is.
They simply can’t process why everyone isn’t celebrating the chance to be cruel racists, it’s like people hating ice cream to them.
Agreed 100% I work around people that are Ride Or Die Trump supporters, and they are fully on board with crashing everything so as long as they get to own the Libs.
A magat would gladly allow trump to shit in their mouth if a “lib” had to smell it.
Political dissidents , if they are using commerical planes, why not cause a scene and deplane everyone?
I wasn’t surprised since as soon as he won he was doing a lot of things. He wasn’t even president then.
How many have died so far on the el Salvador death camps?
Those are just the “documented” deaths.
We know that they shave their heads, number them, and make them not show their faces and treat them very similarly to another such camp
They only feed the inmates Rice, beans, a couple of veggies, etc… And yet there is a meat pile next to a small building with red stains all around it and red stained drag marks. even though they don’t use meat.
The report says that 153 people died in custody after being arrested under Bukele’s year-long crusade against gangs, including 47 this year, according to the new investigation.
How does that compare to deaths in American prisons?
IMO can’t compare it like that you would need a ratio. Like say they only have 200 people in the camps. That makes it a whole lot worse. If they have 5 million then having even a 1000 would be more ‘reasonable’.
Wow 153 USA citizens?
You must be new here. People from other countries are still human beings.
What will it take for these poor saps to wake up.
They’ve downed half a bottle of whiskey to avoid being ‘woke’.
Amen brother
That whiskey was just to help wash down the bottle of Ambien.
Hindsight
Well said.
They only care about the second amendment…and then the first amendment when they show that they’re an asshole on social media and get called out for it. I don’t think they learned the others that trump is currently wiping his ass with.
