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          That actually sounds like a good personal motto. For a long time mine has been, “There’s always more than one way,” but you’ve got me thinking.

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        Maybe, idk if that’s really true. I would say that in its context, the revolution was about as good as it possibly could have been. The articles of confederation had some actually good shit in it like automatic citizenship for first nations peoples, and the constitution that replaced it was wildly left for its time. The lack of a monarch definitely had much of colonial Europe clutching its pearls. It’s basically been downhill ever since, though.

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          The problem was that the US revolution was really a bourgeois revolution that primarily served genocidal Settler-Colonialists and slavers. It could have taken on a leftward character had it been led by indigenous peoples and the Proletariat, but because it wasn’t, we have the modern US Empire and all the sins it has wrought.

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            You’re right, and I think that it’s putting the cart before the horse. Marxist theory wouldn’t exist for another century, and a lot of Marx’s observations that led him to his theories were contingent upon the world that the enlightenment brought about. Had Marx been born 100 years earlier, he probably would have been a Republican (in the Jacobin sense, not the modern US party sense).

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            +1 Insightful

            It seems like most big changes are set in motion by elites who benefit from them, with the teeming masses convinced a) to go along and b) that they’re driving. Historically this could be because elites have had a pulpit, either from holding office or having access to publishing and more recently broadcasting. In really recent times the masses finally got access to a broad audience via the Internet, but since they mostly use it to post boobs and complain about game companies, elites are still in the driver’s seat.

            It’s possible that being led around by a privileged few is just how humans work, and it’s up to enlightened individual elites to make parts of the world better for short periods while they’re alive.

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    Nazi salutes which the ADL gaslights us is NOT antisemitism after gaslighting us that watermelons and octopi ARE antisemitism for nearly two years!

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      Watching the news networks owned by our new oligarchs do everything they can to not acknowledge that they’re Nazis is gold medal Olympics propaganda.

      It’d be astounding if it wasn’t so fuckin sad.

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        The ADL accused Greta Thunberg of being an antisemite when she complained about Gaza, and their evidence was that she had a stuffed octopus in frame in the video, which is a major antisemitic blah blah because they’re too mad with power to bother trying with their lies.

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          I just remember when [the ADL went after David Icke] and the guy talking about 12-foot-tall Lizardmen seemed to have the more rational point.

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          yeah i tried looking up what that would even be a symbol of and how that, historically, could be justified, and found absolutely nothing. not even in their “yo, tha’s anti-semitic” claim.

          i’ve been really disappointed in the ADL. the world doesn’t need a second AIPAC, and it does need more organizations like the SPLC to keep track of racist dog whistles, and i think the ADL used to be that, but now they’re fully subservient to the will of the nation of israel, which is… deeply upsetting as someone whose great great grandmother fled what is today Ukraine after russia decided outward expressions of non-russian identities within the russian empire was unacceptable, and they’d start with the Ashkenazi because getting people to hate jews is real easy for some reason.

          zion is a concept, not a place. Palestine was only selected to be the location for zion after it became clear Lwów (today Lviv) was going to remain under soviet control following WWII, so somewhere else needed to be zion. modern day israel is where it is not out of the deep value of the holy land as a home for the Jewish people, but as a political expedient that also helped the UK and US with a colonization project they had in mind.

          it bothers me that for so many zionists, the actual location of zion doesn’t apparently matter, but it does matter that they get to inflict suffering on others. why are they so certain a city they left 1800 years ago is more suitable for their livelihoods than cities they left 140 years ago? because i can’t help but notice indigenous Palestinians (who have been through every wave of suffering with us and more, by the way, they are our brothers) have darker skin than indigenous Ukrainians and Poles. it makes me think zionist israel is a project of white supremacy, not of Jewish survival

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            yeah i tried looking up what that would even be a symbol of and how that, historically, could be justified, and found absolutely nothing. not even in their “yo, tha’s anti-semitic” claim.

            I remember propaganda “caricatures” of jewish octopi ensnaring the world, promoting the myth of a jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Seeing how this conspiracy theory is somehow still going strong, I’m not surprised how sufficiently simple-minded, or ill-willed, actors pick up on the connotation, and interpret it within bounds of their very finite understanding of the world. Or twisting confabulated connotations in a weird, whataboutistic way to somehow… critique? others as antisemitic, since they’ve been labeled as such themselves all the time, and can only see and use it as a content-deprived slur anymore to silence and attack their perceived enemies.

            Well, either way, antisemitic octopi were a thing in Nazi Germany propaganda. Poor cephalopods.

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    Maintaining revolutionary optimism is important. The only thing certain is the passage of time, we must do our best to change the course of history so that it serves Humanity over Capital as best we can. Reading theory and organizing are still critical and still effective. If you want some place to start, I have an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list.