No need to discuss this, since this is the memeosphere or whatevs, but the term “transphobia” is headed towards the same fate that “antisemetism” is facing.

Saying genocide is bad has been getting labeled as antisemetic, which is not good, obviously. It muddies the waters, and makes discussion virtually impossible. It’s a distraction from hate against Jewish people, which is definitely real, and a problem.

Transphobia is something I would not wish upon anyone, just like any form of bigotry. It exists in multiple forms, including internalized ones. It doesn’t manifest magically when it’s internal either… It takes hearing a lot of transphobic shit for a long time for it to stick with someone in this way.

Internalized transphobia is not easy to get past for some people, and usually is only negativity towards the person feeling it, not other trans people. Most people who experience it don’t talk openly about it, and that is understandable.

I only mention this kind of transphobia to point out that it is a multi-facetted issue. Casual transphobia and outright transphobia are the usual causes for trans people to not feel accepted as they are, and can lead to people not accepting themselves. The outwardly expressed kinds are the problem, and part of the result of that problem can become an internal struggle that makes people miserable.

Re-defining “transphobia” is not a good idea, and when the definition becomes “whatever I don’t want to hear,” it resembles the current direction the word “antisemetism” is going.

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Genderqueer/trans folks are awesome. Groups are not monoliths though, and disagreements can be fine, when the goal is to help each other, or learn about experiences outside of one’s own.

  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world
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    I was here for funny Eel Pics not for political discussion about transphobia q_q

    The good old “Eel / Transphobia - Switcherroo”

    Why do I always fall for that? :(

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    are you going to explain yourself? how is transphobia redefined? receipts on when and how it happened.

    • Im guessing this is related to the user drag and OP is being transphobic (or GNC-phobic or whatevs since not all GNC people consider themselves trans, but transphobia is a fitting term here since trans people are hurt by it) towards neopronouns or xenogenders or at least the ones they consider “too weird”, but thats just a guess since there have been many posts and comments like that lately

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        oh I can theorize; I just wanted them to expand so I can specifically respond because I find using vague gestures instead of specific points rather cowardly. especially the tasteless comparison between the way Israel is using antisemitism to dismiss protests against the genocide they’re committing vs supposedly transphobia being used to dismiss protests against … I’d like to know what, exactly.

        we have influential people literally calling to eradicate transgender people*. so on one side there is a party committing genocide and on another there is one that is intended to be a subject of it and the op is saying they’re doing the same thing.

        * they’d say it’s to eradicate “trans ideology” but if there ever was such a thingt would have been that trans people should be allowed to exist, so same difference, I’m just not a pussy-ass bitch who hides behind sheer obfuscations like this

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      I don’t think this is a very confusing topic, or needs a list of examples to be brought up. Redefining what bigotry is tends to hurt those who are already being demeaned, shamed, or (in the more extreme cases) dehumanized for who they are, or who they love.

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          One of us is bullshitting… Search “gish gallop” for more info. Sorry for taking this issue seriously, and not being a perfect mark for you to argue with online.

          I do hope you understand that there’s an outside world that is affected by the internet and what is shared on it. It’s an extension of real life.

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            asking a single question is pretty much the exact opposite of gish gallop. I just wanted you to give me a single example dude. why did you throw that in there, it makes you look silly.

            just say you have no way to show in any meaningful way that the term transphobia is used similarly to the way Israel uses antisemitism.

            you know, more savvy hogs would just search Twitter or Tumblr for an annoying lib who’s trying too hard and being a woke scold and try to pretend that’s representative but you couldn’t even do that. low effort.

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      They’re just different eels. You can play acoustic parts on an electric eel, and with piezo pickups and/or effects, you can get pretty close to an acoustic eel. However, playing death mEELtal on an acoustic eel sounds and feels wrong.

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    Elemental eels:

    • Electric eel
    • Fire eel
    • Water eel
    • Earth eel
    • Air eel
    • Ice eel
    • Plasma eel
    • Heart eel
    • Poison eel
    • Corrosive eel
    • Exposive eel
    • Nuclear eel
    • Microwave eel (á la Cross Code)

    (Any elements I’ve missed?)

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    I don’t recognize a manual/electric dichotomy.

    Manual/automatic and electric/mechanical are the two acceptable variations.

    Not that these are the end-all of the electro-mech spectrum…