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    Price increases in eggs have largely been due to the outbreaks of avian flu and producers having to cull their stock, anyway. Not something Harris or Biden caused or could wave away with a wand.

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      That’s the justification, and maybe the catalyst, but prices have stayed higher than they were due to price gouging. It’s not Biden/Harris fault, but rather capitalism. They saw they could still make more profit while selling less at a higher price, so they kept doing so.

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        On top of that, the FTC under Biden/Harris has been investigating price gouging at the grocery store level and Kroger just came right out and admitted it. While vying for a merger with another conglomerate chain grocery.

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          Yeah and a bunch of other shit the FTC has done under Biden to protect consumers. But Biden will never get credit for any of that.

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            Because the donor class is pissed about it and most of them own the media.

            They want the dems to fail so trump will give them more tax breaks.

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            shit the FTC has done

            Biden will never get credit for any of that.

            Good. Just because he appointed the excellent Lina Khan doesn’t mean that he deserves credit for the work of her and the agency.

            Especially since it’s a reasonably safe bet that her appointment wasn’t his idea to begin with, but rather that of a more progressive member of whichever committee suggests cabinet picks.

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              Doesn’t he, and his administration, deserve credit, even if it’s just for listening to other people? If it were a particular other president it wouldn’t happen, so his administration deserves to be praised for it. Criticize where it needs to be done, but also praise where it’s deserved. If you only criticize then you’re unable to be won and aren’t worth trying to win.

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                No, Biden doesn’t deserve credit for not being Trump. That’s putting the bar so low that you’d need specialized drilling or diving equipment to reach it.

                Likewise, Biden does not deserve credit for not stopping people within his administration from doing good things that he himself would likely not have done.

                If you only criticize then you’re unable to be won and aren’t worth trying to win.

                Conversely, if you set the bar too low, demanding nothing except “don’t be ridiculously awful” from the people who have the power to enact positive change, that positive change will never happen.

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                  I didn’t say for not being Trump. I said he deserves credit for what his administration has chosen to do. Regardless of who’s idea it is, his administration chose to listen to them, if it wasn’t from them. They deserve credit for that.

                  You aren’t even setting the bar too high. You’re not even setting it, and then saying they came in short. You’re saying they don’t deserve credit for something they literally did. How dumb is that?

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                  She only recommended her! Everything she does after she doesn’t get credit for, right! /s

                  You can’t stay consistent, can you? “Biden bad” is the only difference between Warren getting credit for recommending her and Biden getting credit for choosing that recommendation because it was the best choice for what he wanted to accomplish.

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              The FTC is part of the executive branch. Biden absolutely deserves credit for putting an actual trust buster in charge instead of a corporate lackey.

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                He deserves a little bit of credit for listening to the recommendations of people more progressive than himself with regards to the appointment itself, sure.

                That doesn’t mean that he gets to take credit for everything she does, though, much of which he most likely wouldn’t have done in her place.

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        well.

        yes.

        though, I’m pretty sure the FDA isn’t entirely powerless to create regulations about vaccinating livestock… oh fuck. Republicans shat on that, too.

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      Republicans don’t want to hear facts. They just want “alpha males” to cater to their feelings.

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          Yeah, if you let them live until they die of old age. But they are killed for their meat, and that usually happens around 6 weeks.

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          You are finding out about the disparity between commercial farm chickens and wild chickens (or rescued chickens).

          Reference: (can find a bunch more about this if you want) Meat chickens: https://meatcheftools.com/how-long-do-commercial-meat-chickens-live/

          Quick Summary Commercial meat chickens typically live for about 5 to 7 weeks before they are processed for meat production. These chickens are raised in a controlled environment with optimal conditions for fast growth, resulting in a short lifespan compared to chickens raised for egg production or as pets. The rapid growth rate and early processing are designed to maximize meat production efficiency in the commercial poultry industry.

          Egg laying chickens:

          https://www.huffpost.com/entry/egg-laying-hens_n_59c3c93fe4b0c90504fc04a1

          Chickens live eight years on average, but hens only productively lay eggs in the first two, maybe three years of their lives. And on the commercial level, it’s closer to two years, and sometimes less.

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            I really appreciate this reply, and the effort you’ve taken citing here. I was in disbelief of the fact that chickens can be grown to slaughter that fast.

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        (In case any readers are actually wondering; Venture Capitalism - JD Vance is the puppet of Paypal co-founder and Palantir spyware owner Peter Thiel. A far-right billionaire who promised trump millions of dollars if he put his plant, JD Vance, on the ticket so in the event trump wins and keels over (odds are good, yeah?) Peter Theil becomes de facto dictator and . . . does whatever evil a billionaire tech bro can’t get away with on that alone.)

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          He also follows the philosophy of Curtis Yarvin who is an absolutely terrifying psychopath who thinks America should be a dictatorship and wants us to have an immutable caste system.

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    “If I have to create stories so that the American media actually has to pay attention to the suffering of American people, then that’s what I’m going to do,”

    • Jack Dick Vance, a U.S. Senator representing Ohio.
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      If he has to create stories so that the American media makes the ambitions of the most vile, ruthless and reactionary sections ruling class look like the suffering of the american people, then that’s what he’s going to do

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    Because these guys actually eat about 14 eggs every single morning

    Motherfucker trying to raise an army of Gastons over there.

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    I know this is one of the dumbest things to latch onto, but why do they keep talking about “Kamala Harris’s policies” like she’s the current president? If that were true, then Vance is a dementia addled lying sack of…

    Huh, I guess I answered my own question.

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      Desperation, they really, REALLY wanted to run against Biden, where the age issue worked more for than against him.

      They know they are fucked, their only option left is to bang on the table.

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      They want to try and pin some things that currently go on on her, because they assume, as the vice president, she could have some say in what the president does. The Orange Menace brought it up in the debate as well btw. 🙄

      However, there is not much to pin on. Everything the republicans care for is going relatively well, given the circumstances. So they’re making things up.

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        I don’t think they assume she could have some say, I think it is just malice, a bad faith argument on their part. They know very well and also know that their base you eat it up because they already hate the other side, they just need something that resembles a reason.

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        I think it’s also that they’re acting as though Harris is secretly running the show since Biden is, according to their narrative, too old and senile to lead. I fully expect if Harris wins that in 2028 they’ll sue her on term limits when she runs.

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      Thank you! I think it’s sad how they are so desperate to paint their election opponent in a negative light to score political points that they are pretending she’s the president and is responsible for everything going on. Even in normal circumstances, the president can’t push a magic button and control the price of eggs or gasoline or whatever, but the hypocrisy of blaming Harris for it now is just doubling down on the lie. It was all “Biden did this, Biden did that” right up until he bowed out of the race and suddenly Harris is actually responsible for all that shit and it’s infuriating to see them trying it and even more infuriating to see it somehow actually working on people.

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    From the video:

    “Let’s talk about eggs, Because these guys actually eat about 14 eggs every single morning.”

    There’s just so much that’s weird about that. “These guys” are his 2 sons Ewan (6) and Vivek (4). You’re saying these kids each eat 7 eggs every morning? That’s a lot of eggs. Think about it. 7 fried eggs? Or 7 hard-boiled eggs? If you’re scrambling them, you lose track of the individual eggs, but what, he’s cracking 14 eggs into a huge bowl, then scrambling them? Do you know how much scrambled eggs that’s going to make?

    If his boys were teenagers, maybe I could see it, though eating that many eggs every single day would still seem weird. But, at least teenage boys are known to have big appetites.

    Even if you include him, his wife and their 2-year-old, roughly 100 eggs a week every week seems odd.

    Then there’s just the weirdness of saying “about 14”. We’re talking eggs. Why not “about a dozen”? Slightly more believable, and a more common number to use when talking about eggs. I mean, surely if your kids really loved eggs you’d try to reduce it to a dozen eggs per day just so you’re using one full carton every morning. Then again, if you’re buying hundreds of eggs per month, maybe they come on a pallet, not by the carton, so “a dozen” doesn’t mean much to you.

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    Well. At least they used the word lying in the title. The scare quotes don’t help anyone but whatever.

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      As a reporter, I’d ask him why, as a current sitting Senator, Vance himself hasn’t done anything to help lower the price of eggs even while his colleagues in the Senate and the House are.

      Kroger exec admits to artificially increasing the price of eggs: link

      27 Representitives and Senators calling for a block of the merger between Kroger and Albertsons: link

      …Vance was not among those calling for a block of the merger of the price fixing grocery store…

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      The egg shortage has enabled record quarterly profits and sales at Cal-Maine Foods (CALM), the largest producer and distributor of eggs in the United States. The company produces brands such as Farmhouse Eggs, Sunups, Sunny Meadow, Egg-Land’s Best and Land O’ Lakes eggs.

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/13/business/egg-prices-cal-maine-foods/index.html

      The problem, once again, is monopolies. Not enough competition means one company can jack up prices.

      It’s not clear if Harris will continue Biden’s policies, but one of the best things Biden’s admin has done is to actually go after monopolies for the first time in decades. Under a Trump / Vance presidency, I don’t think that’s very likely.

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    Vance is quite probably the worst VP pic in modern history. Palin riled up the base as intended. Mondale added gravitas as intended. What has Vance added to the Trump campaign?

    And with Trump’s age and obvious cognitive decline, he’s not the future of MAGA. Trump won’t be the Fuhrer of Project 2025. Vance will be.

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      Silicon valley money. Hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money basically, and a lot of power brokers in tech working behind the scenes for the campaign.

      He brings nothing from a “fill the gap” stance because he’s exactly like Trump, but less addled by age. The pick was stupid from that perspective but if you’re money hungry, he brought it.

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        I disagree, what he brings is obedience. Trump is a wildcard, Pence believed in America or at least that he might lose an attempted coup, but Vance does as he’s told and can change his behavior. He clearly doesn’t believe in anything but not in a chaotic way, more of a “I’ll believe what you tell me to” way.

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      Vance throws red meat to the base. He’s exactly what MAGA wants.

      But I hope Vance costs Trump the election.

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    Who cares how much eggs cost? If I put eggs on a pie chart with the rest of my monthly expenses, I would need a microscope to see it. Focus on real problems like price gouging rent.

    You might as well buy the free range eggs for $8/dozen. If that’s too much money, it’s not like the purchase will make you more financially doomed than before.

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      For staple food items, especially things like eggs or bananas that were very cheap in the past, pointing to increasing prices is one way to make the cost of living figure easy to see and feel.

      Using examples to illustrate a point is perfectly normal, both in politics and real life, and I expect people will continue to do so.

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      Diabetic people probably care about egg prices. Low-carb diets were a bit pricier already. But I’m going to go out supposing you are really asking why every article about inflation for the past two years focuses on eggs. I just assumed it was a manifestation of that meme about United Statesians desperately grasping for any metric other than the metric system to quantify the world around them.