the worst part of this entire fascist regime is that people like gavin newsom can act like a good guy
The online PR firm working on his image in preparation for his presidential campaign is putting in work. Too bad fascists dont recognize democracy, except when they can use it to gain power.
yeah it seems very obvious to me too; he certainly sees this as an opportunity. the podcast was probably part of the campaign prep as well.
The bar is low. Really low.
You have to dig a while to find the bar.
ah yes, the democratic party’s eternal slogan
I need to look at all the presidents stats now. Im almost positive a normal slightly above average person cannot do the job successfully.
Biden maybe except his “old” stat was maxed.
Jimmy Carter maybe but he couldn’t secure a second term. Not sure what all the factors are there.
Clinton? His perv stats were at unacceptable levels but he did make it through a second term.
Obama was maybe the most balanced president except racism.
Too bad it’s fash on fash politics. Newsom is total garbage. Anti-trans, Anti-housing, Anti-transit, Pro-capital, Steve Bannon homie…
Just another less than worthless lib. The reason we have Trump.
Do not split.
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
He’s not even nominated yet, at least save your “lesser evil” bullshit until there is an election. Until then we should demand “no evil”, not this prick
I don’t want him as president.
The worse Trump fucks up, the less the Democrats see any reason for substantial change. If Trump’s fuckery finally shows up on the stock market then the Democrats will absolutely run to the center again, and Newsom will be the front runner.
I don’t want Kamala Harris.
I don’t think you have to worry about that, lol.
i hope not.
Anti transit? You mean he’s anti the highspeed rail that he’s gotten pushback for every step of the way? I certainly don’t think he’s an angel but less than worthless is pretty far off the mark IMHO.
Didn’t he also raise the minimum wage to $20?
Its crazy these are even liberal positions. These are just not fucked up positions.
Conservativism is synonymous with evil. I would say ‘at this point’ but their goal has always been the subjugation of anyone not in their tribe
Let me guess. “both sides”
I hate that this works on your intended audience.
he’s doing a good job cosplaying a leftist to gather support.
I am here for the mocking, the drama. We will see who runs in the primary. I am not attached to a particular pol at this point. I wish Booker would start channeling this energy. But when it comes to winning a US Presidential election… you need to be male, white and tall. That is just the stats.
Can we please have the necessary wealth redistribution that’s a requirement to fix the vast majority of problems?
No? We can watch the two most powerful men in the world talk like angry babies at each other?
Ok…
Maybe next year, if we don’t boil alive
I don’t think Newsome is one of the 10 most powerful men in the world. He is not a billionaire, he does not command a military with offensive capabilities (no warships, no missiles, sniper groups).
He leads a state that has the 4rth strongest economy on the globe.
Yeah, we can have that, the day you decide to drop everything youre doing and fight.
mfw people start treating the neo-feudalist who throws trans people under the bus and tried to join the fascists like some savior bc 4chan memes:
You and me both sister
In this case, he’s an imperfect solution to the real problem, which is trump and his fascist cronies. Literally anyone who’s not down that road is better.
Is Gavin perfect? Fuck no. Not even a little.
But if it puts us in a better state than we are now, I’ll welcome it.
We need to get off this fucked up train the trump era nazis have sent us down before it gets even worse.
And it will.
Trump and his cronies were never the real problem, always a symptom of it. Capitalism is the problem, and Newsom is not going to fix that.
Is he actually helping though? Or just sucking up press oxygen and adding to his own brand? What is the actual benefit of this performance?
The thing that will stop Trump is widespread public resistance. Not likely Newsom’s tweets or whatever is going on right now.
Not sure. Too early to tell. What I do know is that it’s a bit of a rallying cry right now for dems/progressives. Like Mamdani is. Ride the lightning, no matter the source at this point. We need to galvanize everyone against trump. It may take any form it wishes, and we need to get behind it if we want a shot at fixing this cesspit they’ve made.
TL;DR; He’s useful until he isn’t. Then we move on to the next thing. We need people aligned and fighting trump, whatever form that takes.
My concern is I live in California and he has not been a good or popular governor. While I appreciate any attempt to fight back against Trump, I think Newsom will make a bad president and this campaign is more about that than doing lasting damage to Trump.
Or just sucking up press oxygen and adding to his own brand?
Clearly not. He’s using someone else’s brand.
I doubt he’ll do better than any other Dem. He’s a weak choice in terms of winning elections.
My money is he’s a fetterman
I do not believe it. First of all, Fetterman has had a brain injury. Newsom has not.
You Americans cannot abide allies or any other type of leftists, no wonder the right ate your lunch and continues to do so. You guys hate everyone. The American left has become so toxic and self isolated
I have respect for well-intentioned liberals, moderates and even some conservatives.
Newsom is not that. He is a selfish ball of sleeze who does whatever he thinks will benefit him most in any given moment. He’s not much better than Trump.
Yeah, who says a leftist can’t be on the hard right.
Problem is that anyone even slightly right of you, and you call them hard right. Shit you’ll even call people to the left of you “hard right” just for disagreeing with you on a small issue. No true leftists in the u.s. literally nobody is left enough to anyone else on the left
They’re just expressing an opinion. No, need to villainize the entire left. We will waste more energy trying to rationalize politics with trans people then just letting them do their thing. Newsom is not a friend of the Trans community. Frankly, I know all too well from growing up, they dont have many allies. Its really sad too. I want to be there for them but if they won’t be there for me, now, when we need to pull the reigns in there’s nothing I can do to converge our two realities.
No one is going to rule the ashes. No one seems to want to plan the revolution. No one seems to understand that divided we fall.
I want trans people to have fulfilling lives. Is what we have now acceptable to trans people? Will the GOP get you there? Will societies clapse make a difference?
These arent questions for me to answer. So, what is it? Whats the grand plan? Does it seem rational that the trans community will lead the democrats policy when that policy is in place to win elections? Has the ground work been laid to make this possible?
Will you even hear me out?
When your beleifs differ too much from mine then we can’t be allies, because those beleifs contradict.
If you can only be allies with people who think the same as you… Kinda sounds like what the Nazis believed dunnit.
Now I certainly don’t think you’re a Nazi or a fascist. But I also think you don’t actually believe what you just wrote.
Oh you don’t want to ally yourself with someone who thinks trans people deserve to be murdered? You’re just like a Nazi. I’m very intelligent.
Isn’t that hyperbole. I dont think Newsom has taken the stance trans people should be murdered. Ill check but the question going forward is how do I let everyone know youre not a serious person? Ill do some thinking about it but way to discredit yourself.
Oh poor baby, did your mom tell you that? … Username checks out.
You’re only proving my point on how toxic the American left became
As bad as his trans stances are, still miles better than even the absolute best Republican
Yeah he will not support trans rights and maybe even erase some rights.
The current republican party is moving rapidly towards extermination camps
I thought Newsom was a Republican. Like a sheet made from the same cloth, but draped over a more progressive shape. He calls himself whatever and pays respects to the left but it’s the same kind of creature inhabiting the position.
you just described the Democratic Party
Yeah but we still have a little over two years until the primary circus starts so I can’t fault people for wanting to dream of a future they actually want to live in for the time being
No not at all I support that fully, but I really don’t want another situation where we have “milquetoast whatever vs Nazi” and people are more focused on how the Democrat isn’t perfect enough to not try to stop the nazi
Youre thinking from your own perspective. Is there something I can say that will help you understand that winning the vote means we have to steer towards popular opinion?
Translation: Moving further right is the only option we have. Just stop being queer, an immigrant, or homeless and I’m sure you’ll be part enough of the majority to not be disposable politically. Some of you might need to be thrown to the wolves, but that is a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
How will you chose to throw me, and not yourself at the same time, to the wolves?
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I know Trans people less certain about the issues you claim are throwing them under the bus than you are. They think Newsom has been perfectly reasonable on Trans matters. So do I. And if you’re going to use that wedge issue as an excuse to succumb to authoritarianism…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Perfectly reasonable? His position is literally the same as the far right’s
These are the same assholes who watched Nancy Pelosi clap at Donald Trump and honestly thought that was a win.
Now they’re paying 30%-40% more to live, if they’re lucky, and just ignoring that the people they voted for enabled a genocide and man-made famine against kids.
Dude is just shit posting. Is this where you chose to make your grand stand?
Only shitposting (running for the 2028 Democratic primary after failing to woo the fascists). How dare we find a fascist reject distasteful.
Seems so.
Dems and their supporters love performative politics and then doing next-to-nothing of substance.
Honestly, what can they do in a time like this? Newsom is actively advocating they redraw california maps to counter trumps electoral maps in Texas? It almost makes me angry for you to say this about Newsom, NOW, when he is fighting. Its just befuddling. Tie their hands behind their backs and then demand they cook you dinner.
You want substance vote to give them power. You want to ignore the good things they do, you lie when you say you want substance.
LOL
We have concentration camps and fascist secret police wreaking havoc in this country and you honestly expect me to get excited about dank memes.
The only power Democrats had was to shut down the government, and they decided to become collaborators and give Donald what he wanted instead.
Name the reasons we have concentration camps and if your list starts with the DNC youre maladjusted.
Totally, I should just ignore the Dem’s active participation in our descent into fascism.
Because they’re Dems.
Mr. Picture Perfect Elite White Male, that will surely show them anti-establishment folks that the big profane orange billionaire isn’t the only game in town
Not everyone is out to thwart the establishment. We are a long way off that. Try, just try, to advocate for a national strike here on lemmy, which I would describe as left-center. Then watch how people twist themselves into knots to support the establishment.
god damnit, I hate it that one of the most milquetoast neoliberals of our time hits upon an A+ strategy. Whatever staffer in his office had that idea deserves a raise. If it was his own idea, I’d be shocked.
Yeah, no way the guy who platformed Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his podcast thought this up.
Id like to take credit for it myself but its always been there available to anyone. Democrats just cannot believe the American people are this stupid they need to spell it out. Its a fine way to be in your interpersonal life but politics is too devoid of actual measured discourse you will only lose if you don’t play for keeps.
This is also why every democrat who isn’t spearheading something like Newsom is doing needs to go too. They are artifacts of a different age and the debasememt of society will only get worse. We need innovators and risk takers until a real treaty is signed.
I’m fine with removing DNC from congress on the sole prerequisite that we remove every single Republican first.
I feel like “replace” is the way to go.
Based off Zohran’s campaign at least. Blew cuomo out the water in the primary.
Fighting the Status Cuomo on all political fronts
That’s fine but even if we replace every DNC and none of the GOP we make zero progress. Cuomo was old and clearly mentally unwell, that’s why Mamdani is the new DNC candidate on the ballot.
I think it was the policies that Zohran was running on and the face to face canvasing he did, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a contributing factor.
He needs to keep doing it
He literally needs to put on the makeup. The clown meme will save America. We beat deflection with reflection. On the playground rubber and glue is your only defense.
Sticks and stones come next.
Imagine if Trump agrees to a debate with him, and he shows up wearing cheeto dust coloured makeup and a knee length red tie.
I might wet my pants laughing.
this made me realize that dr phil was still alive. disappointing.
With a napkin taped to his ear
Why wait? Go out tomorrow. Everyone in the DNC. The emperor has no clothes
You can’t beat Trump at his own game… When will you Libs learn this? its exhausting explaining this all the time!
Lol, the democrats never even started to play trumps game. Honestly, trump could be easily thwarted by someone with no ethical fortitude, the guys a dope.
I mean, Harris did so in the debate. It was fun to see him getting boiled up about little side remarks she sprinkled in.
Im not sure you know very much about trump.
But what if … hear me out … there are two pigeons playing chess?
Sounds better then sitting there acting incredulous you have to play chess with a pigeon for 8 years.
He has no game
Gottem
