The march to Nazism takes another step
Wait…why cull their voter base?
They don’t need voters any more.
I have a feeling they’re going to define anyone who has a college degree and leans anywhere to the left of conservative extremism “low IQ trash”.
Yep, the Nazis defined socialists as degenerates, so I expect any sign of empathy to be seen as a sign of low IQ.
They’ve thought this for decades. Tradespeople have been resenting college nerds who don’t have common sense (funny thing is I’m both of those things). And the cheaters (like tax cheats and grifters) think that the rest of us are dumb for not cheating to get ahead.
Shit! I just paid for a vassecectomy!
I mean this is less of a “government funded” thing and more of a “you get it done or we cut your balls off ourselves”.
And personally, I’m of the opinion that now that they want undesirable people sterilized, I won’t submit. The worst thing we can do right now is give them anything.
It was just some gallows humor. Real tiny gallows.
Yeah, that’s why they’re trying to make questioning Trump’s greatness a mental disorder. So they can identify us as irredeemable to dispose of us
Probably worse, enemies or the state. Anyone not in lock step will be put in a camp…prolly about a year out…stay safe
Your college degree will be the new “Star of David” to identify you to the authorities.
Ironically, many of the Republican asshats have degrees, even from (gasp! shock! horror!) Ivy League schools…
Maybe, but I think it will probably start with the amount of melanin you may have first.
I read the article. He defined it as people that like the Fast and the Furious franchise.
I’m not entirely opposed to his suggestion.
He also attended a white nationalist rally that got him fired from his job as a Trump speech writer, suggested rewards for sterilization like “air jordans”, and a few more pieces that suggest he’s got a pretty easy way to determine who is “low iq” at a quick glance.
He wants to euthanize non white people
Edit: Sterilize, not euthanize. I’m sure he would hate to kill all of them
He wants to *sterilize people, not euthanize (according to the article). Maybe he wants to euthanize some people too (likely) but that’s not what the article is about. Euthanasia =/= sterilization.
“Third world low iq sucker punch fights over nothing, with dumb animal spectators jumping up and down in excitement,” said Beattie. “The same low-IQ trash who watch the fast and furious franchise. Beginning to wish the whole population reduction conspiracy were true.”
He’s describing MMA fans, and people (in the USA) that watch fast and the furious… Remember (last month) when Mango Mussolini went to UFC in FL? …yea, he’s hating on the voter base that got him where he is.
He wants to offer air jordans to people that volunteer for vasectomies… uh, they can keep the shoes, but I’m down for more people that cannot afford vasectomies or people without health insurance (there’s an abundance) to get them.
I understand the story that this article is attempting to illustrate, but you’re conflating things. Also, I’d hardly consider the Independent as a reputable source.
Also… I’m getting a little bit tired of outrage that has no output. So this week we’re surprised and outraged about another white nationalist in this administration?
:: yawn::
“Like” as in, present tense?
I liked it as a kid but I think I outgrew it…so I guess I’m good?
Doesn’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile…
Ahh shit.
Most of Trump’s base was probably cheering him on until he got to this part:
“The same low-IQ trash who watch the fast and furious franchise.”
Let’s be real, they’re never going to hear about any of this.
Just a quick reminder that the US Supreme Court affirmed the federal government’s right to sterilize citizens in Buck v. Bell and it’s never been walked back.
So that’s cool.
It seems that Trump and Kennedy are going to lose their balls then. ✂️ A minute of silence. 😔
IQ tests don’t measure intelligence. It measures how good you are at passing an IQ test.
Every tests measures first and foremost how well one takes that test. There are many IQ tests with varying usefulness.
Nope. IQ measures how Western you are.
We cannot test intelligence. That’s what the creator of the IQ test concluded after the eugenics championed their attempt to do so.
The problem is not so much the test itself, which can be useful sometimes, but the idea that ‘intelligence’ can be fully encapsulated by a single number that is both immutable and discrete.
Sorry, but that is only true for a narrow, archaic band of the term IQ. Though I admit that within that narrow interpretation, you’re right. But there have been many tests devised since then to attempt to address those concerns.
Attempt. And fail.
Maybe, in varying degrees, but also some success. Though intelligence itself is tough to pin down in the broader sense, there are some aspects of the measurement that are useful in both clinical settings and in research.
It’s all about making the cut. Whether you do it or you don’t.
IQ tests don’t measure intelligence.
i feel like it’s possible to do though.
It’s not. All you can do is measure culturally relevant knowledge. That’s what we learned
That’s true. How can we possibly measure logic if logic follows the characteristics of 1900’s classical logic? Does that translate to real intelligence or the ability to get things done? I don’t think so. What if the person just don’t want to get a IQ test? All the more, what if their qualities are not measured by finding out how many balls are inside a cube? I think classical logic doesn’t translate to intelligence.
If there is a civil war, I look forward to shitty rulings like Buck vs Bell to be overturned by the good guys. This kind of shit is a black mark on human decency.
You are far more optimistic than I
I am not certain of victory at all, it is just that surrendering in advance has a guaranteed outcome. “Elbows up” has risks, but gives a chance for things to turn out decently.
Right on schedule. These guys are following a playbook…step by step https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-biological-state-nazi-racial-hygiene-1933-1939
OP’s article is 3 months old, being dated 2025-02-11.
One fucking month ago we, for the first time in human history, cured a genetic disease in a human at the DNA level, using gene editing techniques that fixed a 10-month-old’s liver specifically without altering the rest of his body’s DNA (thus preserving genetic diversity). Are we really going to start fucking genociding people while we stand at the very goddamn cusp of cleanly subduing genetic disorders?? And we’re going to fucking revive measles and polio while we’re at it?
Hello to my Americans friends, and an outsider looking in, we have a very famous saying about the situation you’re currently in. It roughly translates to, “holy fucking shit, you guys are totally fucked”. Honestly I’m baffled by the seeming lack of tangible response from the general public, I understand 30 odd % voted for this and another 30 or so couldn’t be bothered. But the rest of you should be shutting down everything, how are you just holding these weekend protests and hoping for change. Cripple the bloody country! The longer you wait the worse it gets.
Sincerly someone who knows what Dictatorships are.
I feel this way every time I wake up. I am a pretty avid history enthusiast. I know what the parallels are. I know the direct analogies to what’s happening here now.
It ultimately boils down to the fact that the vast majority of the country is unable to mount a general protest because we’re all wage slaves, and healthcare is tied to having a job here, so we’re all predominantly conditioned to be nice little worker lemmings for the most part. And then there’s the imbecilic “exceptionalist” streak that a lot of people have, which is more or less the societally-toxic idea that you’re just a temporarily inconvenienced billionaire who hasn’t come into their own yet.
“It ultimately boils down to the fact that the vast majority of the country is unable to mount a general protest because we’re all wage slaves, and healthcare is tied to having a job here, so we’re all predominantly conditioned to be nice little worker lemmings for the most part.”
That’s the problem right there, right now you NEED action, no revolution was won and no government overthrown by people tweeting, and we all know how well “Thoughts and prayers” works.
That’s easy to say from the outside. Say I do all of that, sacrifice everything for the cause, but there’s no groundswell of the same afterwards. So I just gave up everything, and accomplished nothing.
Yes it’s a pretty negative and defeatist attitude, but the country is far too large compared to most European countries for fast response gathering to really work, and the media is complicit in covering up news about things like that, making that outcome extremely likely.
I’m just a school bus driver so it doesn’t really make a difference either way what I do versus something like retail or fast food workers, but there is a different way to do it here than in countries the size of a small state. I just don’t know what that is.
It is easy to say from the outside, however I say this as someone who took part in mass protests hoping to bring down a massively corrupt government who literally stole all the peoples money, I’ve been tear gassed, water cannoned and had rocks thrown at me. I mean no offense to you at all but yes, it is a defeatist attitude and unfortunately I can’t offer any options as to what to do, but doing nothing will enable your freedoms and liberties to be eaten away altoghether. I think people are more prone to react once it affects them personally and that’s understandable, especially how most American workers are held hostage by their jobs (paycheck to paycheck living, health insurance etc).
I wish you luck friend.
You missed the part where the cops do all that and then shoot to kill in the states.
People will die either way, Trump is gutting medical aid and social services across the board. People can either accept it meekly and just die, or try and fight and die. Honestly there are no good choices left for normal Americans who didn’t vote for this. But a choice has to be made.
That’s fair, but I think that a non insignificant number of people just don’t care. Yes, protests in big cities seem large, but like the other commenter was saying, only 1/3 of people really oppose this. And some of that 1/3 don’t oppose it particularly strongly if at all. I know lifelong Rs that luckily didn’t vote for Trump, but mostly because he doesn’t stand on ceremony. They voted Harris, but they legitimately have no problem with rounding up immigrants and attacks on the LGBT community. Local resistance is just not really possible when 1/3 of your neighbors have trump flags in their yard, 1/3 think your resistance is stupid and maybe 25% of the remaining 1/3 care enough to join some of the time. How do you do a work stoppage if only 1/12 of your colleagues would even consider it. I’m not saying resistance is futile, but I don’t think it’s about the wage slave issue as much as it is that there’s no real public will to stop this. Wage slave issue is of course still a problem and likely contributing factor.
Stop trying to talk yourself out of doing something. You clearly believe that something needs to be done so do whatever you can to move us in a positive direction. I’m not saying you’re wrong but every time we say stuff like this we help the people hearing it feel more justified in doing less. Let others come up with their own reasons for inaction and work hard to overcome your own.
I’m not talking myself out of doing anything and I am actively doing what I can. I also specifically said that resistance isn’t futile. We should all do what we can, but not talking about the problem, especially when other leftists are openly and actively acknowledging it, just leads to the pic above of feeling like their experience is the problem. Their experience is not the problem and they are not crazy. Unfortunately, there are a lot of fascists around. That fact is important to acknowledge because it really does change the kind of resistance that works.
I know the infighting meme is old at this point, but I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish with this comment, but it comes off as obnoxious (to me) and we need less of that. I’m not posting doomer rhetoric. I’m acknowledging a truth already acknowledged in this thread. I don’t need a random leftist telling me to work hard to overcome reasons for inaction. I already organize locally. Acknowledging that there’s just only so much you can do and it’s ok to work in that framework can be helpful.
I’m not posting doomer rhetoric.
That’s exactly what it sounded like, which is why my reply was worded from that perspective. You may not have intended it to be read that way but it does to me.
I fled the country, so it’s been fascinating looking in from the outside while still having a stake vis-à-vis all the people I love back home.
On the inside, the people that matter are terrified. It’s easy to tell someone to grab a rifle and “do something”, but the average person is now more focused on their own immediate survival than anything else. People are losing access to life saving medicine, they’re worried about catching a life threatening illness, and basic costs of living (rent, food, health, etc) are getting more expensive. Even privileged people are starting to feel the screws tightening. The US is a ticking time bomb and something is going to give at some point, but it’s going to have to get significantly worse first.
On the outside, everyone understands why we fled. My new country has been so incredibly welcoming and sympathetic, with a hint of curiosity. I realized yesterday while I was reading about the Philly mass shooting that I’ve yet to hear of a single mass shooting where I am, and I immediately felt a sense of relief.
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“but it’s going to have to get significantly worse first.” Unfortunately given what we (the rest of the world are seeing) I think you’re right, but it just makes no sense to me (who comes from the middle east, had to flee civil war and lived in the west) how easily it seems to be for this administration to literally dismatle the US as we know it.
“but the average person is now more focused on their own immediate survival than anything else. People are losing access to life saving medicine. They’re worried about catching a life threatening illness, and food costs double what it used to” This, in hindsight has been a strategy that has worked brilliantly in controlling the general population.
Well done for getting out and giving yourself this peace of mind).
Honestly I’m baffled by the seeming lack of tangible response from the general public
The general public will never hear about this, and those that do, won’t believe it.
What astounds me is there are more foreigners like me who are so much more knowledgeable about US laws than the average Maga. It’s insanity the mental gymnastics they manage. Everyone has this information at their fingertips, sadly facts don’t seem to matter anymore.
The average Maga doesn’t do any mental gymnastics. If anything contradicts them, it’s wrong by default.
All I can tell you is good luck my friend, a lot of people around the world sympathise with those who want change, and we’re genuinely hoping to see Trump, Musk, Theil, ice and bullshit barbies and the rest behind bars for treason someday.
I’m and American and yeah, I figured that one out for myself years ago. A lot of us did. There’s just not much we can fucking do about it.
There is actually, unfortunately it’s a very hard choice and it will require sacrifice, be it jobs, etc, otherwise you’ll end up being the worlds riches failed state.
I came in here to call Americans cowards but it looks like you’re already here making sure it’s covered.
The media is compromised. People are organizing but you’re not hearing about it for the most part. No one’s talking about it on public forums for obvious reasons. You will start hearing about it when things come to a head.
Yes we know.
I’m an Australian. We have a similar phrase with the same translation. In our language, we say: “cunts fucked”
I love the versatility of the way Aussies use the word cunt.
Seems weird that they’d want to go after their voter base so publicly.
Yep, again just following Hitlers Playbook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#Germany
That was one of the first laws that the Nazis enacted…
Well. Yeah. Because he’s a Nazi. Nazis have Nazi opinions. But his version of “low-iq trash” isn’t people with “low-iq” it’s people that impede the image of the in-group.
Otherwise the majority of conservatives would be sterilized.
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IQ does not measure the value of a person.
I know you are joking but somehow I don’t think a Nazi style eugenics program is the solution.
No nothing like that. Maybe we just don’t argue with the antivaxxers next time though.
So every Trumper should be sterilized? I’ve been saying!
Many people are saying this is a good idea. Many people!!
I think you will find that it applies to “Trump derangement syndrome” people instead
Like they said…
Playing their same game of redefining words isn’t the way to win.
We already argue enough about the definitions of words and phrases.
…soooo Trump voters?
It’s so funny that these maga hogs think they’re the peak of humanity
So Republicans?
Yep, where do I sign? Is there a petition or vote?
Same here, you need signatures?, start with me.
“When a population gets feral, a little snip snip keeps things in control. Could offer incentives (Air Jordans, etc.).”
Holy shit. What a piece of shit.
Offer MAGA a chance to hunt with Ted Nugent or pit row seats at a NASCAR race, that will get unlimited stupid removed from the gene pool.
American eugenicists tended to believe in the genetic superiority of Nordic, Germanic, and Anglo-Saxon peoples, supported strict immigration and anti-miscegenation laws, and supported the forcible sterilization of the poor, disabled and “immoral.”[13]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
So just standard Republican Nazi shit.
The problem is they can’t find enough racists who happen to have that background… So south Africa white people who used to have servants is where they’re at. I got German, English, Italian, Netherlands and Spanish friends and they are very nice people.
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Genuinely curious, in what way was the greater availability of contraceptives used to further Eugenicist belief or policy?
Wasn’t Harvard and such mixed up in it as well? Phrenology and race. If people knew history, we wouldn’t be staring down the barrel of the current nightmare.
Eugenics…
Don’t be suprised if they add gas chambers to RFK’s wellness farms.
The original nazis got eugenics from the US. That’s why there were so many sympathizers prior to Pearl Harbor. They faded into the background after WWII got going, but they never went away.
Eugenics was fairly popular worldwide until Hitler, US included.
And they’re trying to make it popular again. I have an uncle who is in a word, deranged. and frequentley touts that “1 in 8 kids in America have Autism”.
weird uncle story incoming…
so I argued with him and said "Whats the condition? whats the criteria? give me the test that these so called kids are being evaluated on, and I bet you I, a guy in his mid 30s who still collects lego, loves my pets more than people, and is very interested in fiction and art, will come up as being on “the spectrum” because the evaluation is so broad that even being a little odd , eccentric or even just unique… always gets associated with aspergers. autism, etc
he then realized what I was saying and switched it around to say "Oh I dont mean anything like that. I mean kids that are so developmentally disabled they wont be able to take care of themselves their entire lives. literally handicapped
So 1 in 8 kids are special edcuation requirement and will need permanent care because they are developmentally challenged? give me a fucking break.
of course. he also talked about Marin County California, a county full of anti vaxers,
If Politics are peoples personalities, being Anti-Vax is my uncle’s personality. The dude 100% believes that there will be a mass murdering purge of all doctors and healthcare workers this year when the “RFK Autism report” comes out.
We’re Canadian by the way. I thought this was a funny addition to the context of this story. Though he did live in America for 30 years, refused to start the citizenship process though
I almost agree with his conclusion but for the opposite reason: I worry for the safety of professionals who say Autism is real and can be managed in less severe cases, because there are crazies like your uncle out there and some of them are violent.
The dude 100% believes that there will be a mass murdering purge of all doctors and healthcare workers this year when the “RFK Autism report” comes out.
…does he not realize that he is also capable of contracting illness? Who does he think is going to take care of him when he breaks his hip or has a stroke?
his own mortality seems to be something that he hasn’t thought about much.
The Sympathisers didnt change their tune over Pearl Harbor. PH was a Japanese attack. not a German one
Japan and Germany were aligned with each other, but People who agreed with Hitler didnt just suddenley change their mind because their Asian allies attacked them in the Pacific.
They didn’t change their tune, but they went quiet so they wouldn’t end up camping with the Japanese Americans.
Eugenics also includes in-vitro sterilization and selecting against horrible illnesses like sickle-cell anemia. Nazism, and what Beattie is proposing, is the dark side of eugenics, but eugenics is not inherently bad. Please try to look past the propaganda.
It’s important to separate the personal from the political here. You’re right that not every instance of genetic selection is equivalent to Nazi-style eugenics. But you say that eugenics is “not inherently bad” without really looking at proper definitions or recognising the deep social and historical baggage it carries, especially in how it’s been used to justify racism, ableism, and state violence, and that risks repeating the same logic that allowed those atrocities in the first place.
Choosing not to pass on genetic diseases through voluntary IVF and screening isn’t the same as state-led population engineering which is what eugenics often refers to politically. The key difference is consent and context.
When you talk about selecting against diseases like sickle-cell anaemia, you also have to ask: who defines what counts as a “horrible illness”? Who decides which lives are worth living? (For example, your example of sickle cell anemia comes with the caveat that this illness makes one immune to malaria, which is why it evolved in a significant chunk of the subsaharan african population. Yet Sickle cell anemia was also a favourite scapegoat by 20th century eugenicists to argue that african genes were “inferior”).
Historically, eugenics has disproportionately targeted disabled people, people of colour, poor people, communities with less power. Even modern-day genetic screening isn’t free from those power dynamics. So, no, it’s not “propaganda” to be against eugenics, it’s a necessary ethical stance informed by history and lived experience.
And the IVF example isn’t really eugenics as it is understood. For example, here is the wikipedia definition of eugenics:
Eugenics (/juːˈdʒɛnɪks/ yoo-JEN-iks; from Ancient Greek **εύ̃ (eû) ‘good, well’ and **-γενής (genḗs) ‘born, come into being, growing/grown’)[1] is a set of largely discredited beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population.[2][3][4] Historically, eugenicists have attempted to alter the frequency of various human phenotypes by inhibiting the fertility of those considered inferior, or promoting that of those considered superior.
So a better example of eugenics is for example the nazi slaughter of 80% of people with schizophrenia. Thinking that by “removing the bad genes” schizophrenia will go away. Yet modern day germany has an average rate of schizophrenia, so that didn’t work. (Ignoring that fact it was literally genocide and is morally apprehensible in nearly every way).
We actually completely agree about everything, including the typical definition of eugenics. Here’s the problem though: when an actually good thing comes along which is technically eugenics (such as the aforementioned IVF programs), it can be called “eugenics” by opponents without much recourse. What’s the solution? Is there a defence along the lines of, “it’s not eugenics, it’s actually <some other word>,” or is the better move to say “not all eugenics is bad” (but more tactfully than that).
The trouble with the former move is that whatever word is chosen will be co-opted by lunatics like Beattie, and then using the word is just going to look like a dog-whistle or something. So unfortunately I’m stuck waving my hands trying to find the least-appalling way to say “#notalleugenics.”
Please, your input is greatly desired as to what to say here. Because I do actually believe in the (
DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT) power of good eugenics. You say that I should be discussing the ableist, racist, and other problematic aspects associated with eugenics – I feel like me and my target audience are all aware of these aspects, so you’re essentially saying I should include some form of wrapping to make a pill that can be swallowed more easily to get across my actual point. I don’t necessarily agree with this as it seems manipulative, like a Trojan horse, but I’m open to hearing what you have to say.(Regarding sickle-cell – people who have it generally say it’s a horrible illness. It causes immense pain and suffering, and could be resolved with easier access to IVF. I could have chosen another genetic illness, it’s just the first one that came to mind because I watched The Pitt recently. I’ll admit that choosing an African-associated genetic illness is not a good look for me lol.)
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When you say ‘right’ it sounds like it’s a forgone conclusion that eugenics is not a good term for the things I’m talking about, or that it’s somehow morally reprehensible to refer to stuff like selecting out genetic illnesses as eugenics. It seems to me to be eugenics though.
I think the word is tainted beyond usability. I have a visceral negative reaction to someone promoting eugenics.
I say just drop the word and say what you really mean. Something like- I support increased prenatal screenings and new technologies like CRISPR to reduce the suffering of humanity.
Fair enough, but what do I say when someone says “isn’t that eugenics?” Society has a deep-set opposition to the idea genes affect ones life in any way, but they do, and we should recognize that so that we can make progress toward reducing human suffering. Sincerely, the reason people dislike this idea is because it sounds like eugenics.
Sadly this was inevitable.
I think it was in the skeptics guide to the universe book, they covered the history of eugenics.
It has a significant history in the US, and loads of ne’er-do-wells were sterilised before eugenics was adopted as a policy by the german nazi party.
All of these “inevitable” thresholds being crossed are picking up incredible speed though. At this rate they will have the civil war they’re clearly trying to create in less than a full year tops.
They don’t want a civil war; that’s just the next best thing for them. What they really want is uncontested fascist rule, and unless Americans grow some spine fast they’ll get it.
Oh absolutely; either everyone takes what they dole out lying down, in which case they get their fully fascist state, or people fight back and give them a reason to enact martial law, leading to the same outcome.
3.5% is what it takes to bring the government to it’s knees. Aim for it.
What i always wonder happens in these scenarios though… what happens next? Let’s say the gov is brought to it’s knees by the 3.5%. Who takes charge then? How is it determined?
Have you read Animal Farm? That. Is it conceivable that someday a people’s revolution would turn out otherwise? Sure. But I don’t see the American people as being the ones to pull it off.
