The reality reversal is fucking crazy. RationalWiki is the right-wing misinformation wiki now?

Note how none of the arguments presented by the Grayzone against Zenz are tackled, just how the Grayzone reports.

A lot of their arguments are debunked here instead.

Yes, Zenz isn’t the only one researching this! People like the Arab League went to Xinjiang and found no evidence of genocide. Instead, the groups that push the genocide narrative all circle back to Zenz, then reference each other. In this way, the narrative of genocide appears to have more legitimacy, despite all linking back to shoddy claims by an admitted professional propagandist.

Have any sources for that?

I find it telling that you’ll only listen to a christofascist, not the UN, and not the PRC’s official response and evidence. It’s the christofascists that deflect from Palestinian genocide that you trust completely, not hard evidence nor even the most official allegations by the UN. Truth doesn’t seem to matter to you, what matters is that christofascist propagandists are trusted. This is Iraq’s supposed WMD and South Africa’s supposed “White Genocide” all over again.

I literally said, if you want to argue with the information that is present in those in total 180 page documents feel free to do so. But I find it telling that you’ll ignore the stuff I say in order to defend daddy Xi at all costs instead. You’re actually a fucking joke.

The christofascist on a mission from God to punish China was thoroughly discredited by none other than…

Yeah. That’s who I trust. Maybe check your own sources before disparaging others’.

An example is lying about 8.7% of new IUDs as 80%, to back up claims of “forced sterilization,” from this chart…

Search engines exist, you know that right?:

https://adrianzenz.medium.com/a-response-to-the-report-compiled-by-lin-fangfei-associate-professor-at-xinjiang-university-bdad4bbb97f9

Trusting Zenz and data that comes exclusively from Zenz is not a reliable measure.
Instead of accusing others of the equivalent to creationism, why not instead question the actual christofascist you seem to have absolute faith in providing totally real evidence?
Tell me, where have I shown absolute faith in anybody in this thread? You keep talking about how Zenz is a far-right asshole. Do you not realize that Zenz is not the only person researching this?

If you want to cite arguments from the files you linked feel welcome to do so. But I’m not going to read 130 pages of China sucking itself off, nor am I going to read the 40 page UN report (at least right now) to debunk dumbfuck trolls on Lemmy.

And how did the birthrates drop? That’s something to omit. But don’t worry, I’ll tell you:

Leaked data obtained and corroborated by the AP showed that of 484 camp detainees listed in Karakax county in Xinjiang, 149 were there for having too many children - the most common reason for holding them. Time in a camp — what the government calls “education and training” — for parents with too many children is written policy in at least three counties, notices found by Zenz confirmed.

In 2017, the Xinjiang government also tripled the already hefty fines for violating family planning laws for even the poorest residents — to at least three times the annual disposable income of the county. While fines also apply to Han Chinese, only minorities are sent to the detention camps if they cannot pay, according to interviews and data. Government reports show the counties collect millions of dollars from the fines each year.

In other efforts to change the population balance of Xinjiang, China is dangling land, jobs and economic subsidies to lure Han migrants there. It is also aggressively promoting intermarriage between Han Chinese and Uighurs, with one couple telling the AP they were given money for housing and amenities like a washing machine, refrigerator and TV.

It links back to China’s long history of dabbling in eugenics….you don’t want people who are poorly educated, marginal minorities breeding quickly,” said James Leibold, a specialist in Chinese ethnic policy at La Trobe in Melbourne. “What you want is your educated Han to increase their birth rate.”

Sultan describes how the policy looks to Uighurs like her: “The Chinese government wants to control the Uighur population and make us fewer and fewer, until we disappear.”

Once in the detention camps, women are subjected to forced IUDs and what appear to be pregnancy prevention shots, according to former detainees. They are also made to attend lectures on how many children they should have.

Seven former detainees told the AP that they were force-fed birth control pills or injected with fluids, often with no explanation. Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods. After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile.

It’s unclear what former detainees were injected with, but Xinjiang hospital slides obtained by the AP show that pregnancy prevention injections, sometimes with the hormonal medication Depo-Provera, are a common family planning measure. Side effects can include headaches and dizziness.
AP News - China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

If you think that an organization with ties to the CIA wouldn’t do research about and uncover stuff that would benefit them, and would instead make up a global conspiracy based off of unproven misinterpretations of government records that can only be seen by genocide denier shitstain Riverside, then I don’t know what to tell you.

“But Adrian Zenz is far-right!” 🤡

Holy hell you’re like a fucking creationist. How funny that you just happened to omit the next few sentences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz#Criticism

The Sky News article you shared doesn’t shed your favorite country in the best light either. Maybe try reading it next time?

But go ahead, keep disseminating CIA-fabricated lies about China while the US supports the genocide of Palestinians and literally INVADES AND BOMBS IRAN, you’re incredibly moral and leftist buddy
So because I criticize China, I suddenly am on the US’s team and can’t criticize them anymore? Is that how this works dipshit?

We literally have leaked internal files of the genocide yet you’re here acting like the only “source” we have is just a couple of news stations that you don’t like.

Get your head out of your ass just for a couple of moments you disgusting fucking creature.

Source?