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    His “research” consists of conflating a reeducation campaign in the context of ISIS-related terrorism with genocide through mistranslation, cherrypicking and bad faith, and the argument is “the birthrates dropped so it’s genocide”. Birthrates dropped because Uyghur used to be exempt from the single-child policy (as all minority ethnicities in China) and when Xinjiang started developing at fast pace in the past decades, birthrates dropped dramatically. It takes 10 times more effort to dismantle misinformation than it takes to manufacture it. Go ahead and visit Xinjiang for yourself, you’re open to do so. Blows my mind that you’d take seriously the interpretation of a radical anticommunist and fringe evangelist on Chinese documents he can’t read himself (he doesn’t speak Chinese).

    If you really think a CIA asset cannot take public documents in Chinese and misinterpret and twist them enough with the purpose of manufacturing antichinese propaganda, idk what to tell you.

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      And how did the birthrates drop? That’s something to omit. But don’t worry, I’ll tell you:

      Leaked data obtained and corroborated by the AP showed that of 484 camp detainees listed in Karakax county in Xinjiang, 149 were there for having too many children - the most common reason for holding them. Time in a camp — what the government calls “education and training” — for parents with too many children is written policy in at least three counties, notices found by Zenz confirmed.

      In 2017, the Xinjiang government also tripled the already hefty fines for violating family planning laws for even the poorest residents — to at least three times the annual disposable income of the county. While fines also apply to Han Chinese, only minorities are sent to the detention camps if they cannot pay, according to interviews and data. Government reports show the counties collect millions of dollars from the fines each year.

      In other efforts to change the population balance of Xinjiang, China is dangling land, jobs and economic subsidies to lure Han migrants there. It is also aggressively promoting intermarriage between Han Chinese and Uighurs, with one couple telling the AP they were given money for housing and amenities like a washing machine, refrigerator and TV.

      It links back to China’s long history of dabbling in eugenics….you don’t want people who are poorly educated, marginal minorities breeding quickly,” said James Leibold, a specialist in Chinese ethnic policy at La Trobe in Melbourne. “What you want is your educated Han to increase their birth rate.”

      Sultan describes how the policy looks to Uighurs like her: “The Chinese government wants to control the Uighur population and make us fewer and fewer, until we disappear.”

      Once in the detention camps, women are subjected to forced IUDs and what appear to be pregnancy prevention shots, according to former detainees. They are also made to attend lectures on how many children they should have.

      Seven former detainees told the AP that they were force-fed birth control pills or injected with fluids, often with no explanation. Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods. After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile.

      It’s unclear what former detainees were injected with, but Xinjiang hospital slides obtained by the AP show that pregnancy prevention injections, sometimes with the hormonal medication Depo-Provera, are a common family planning measure. Side effects can include headaches and dizziness.
      AP News - China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

      If you think that an organization with ties to the CIA wouldn’t do research about and uncover stuff that would benefit them, and would instead make up a global conspiracy based off of unproven misinterpretations of government records that can only be seen by genocide denier shitstain Riverside, then I don’t know what to tell you.

      “But Adrian Zenz is far-right!” 🤡

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        I already debunked the forced sterilization narrative in this comment, all you’ve done is link more people circling back to Zenz’ deliberate falsification of data, along with chauvanistic claims that China wants Han supremacy. In fact, like all other ethnic minorities, Uyghurs were exempt from the One Child Policy, and all ethnic minorities have better representation at the NPC than the Han majority precisely to make sure the voices of ethnic minorities in China are not shut out.

        You are defending a far-right professional propagandist that has been caught over and over manipulating data and falsifying information.

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        I literally explained you that Xinjiang used to be exempt from single-child policy for the longest time and then stopped being. Fines for people with more than one child were the norm in all of fucking China, you uneducated twat. The rest of the text quoted are the famous “anonymous interviews”, and fearmongering using the availability of family planning in fucking hospitals

        Xinjiang hospital slides obtained by the AP show that pregnancy prevention injections, sometimes with the hormonal medication Depo-Provera, are a common family planning measure

        Omg, people in Xinjiang have access to family planning, literally genocide.

        In other efforts to change the population balance of Xinjiang, China is dangling land, jobs and economic subsidies to lure Han migrants there. It is also aggressively promoting intermarriage between Han Chinese and Uighurs

        Oh noooo, economic subsidies in the region and promoting cultural exchange, literally genocide!!

        Honestly, fuck you. This bullshit is a form of genocide denial by minimization, claiming that everything is a genocide is actually extremely negative towards Palestinians suffering actual genocide.