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    2 years ago

    I’m not taking about democracy without unions. I agree that would be bad. I count unions as part of the democratic process.

    I hope the independent testing is done yearly, on random cars, not just once on the design. Chinese manufacturing has earned low trust from me and that will take time to repair.

    I also have lower trust in undemocratic countries. Trade alone doesn’t improve how the act, and China is an example of that.

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      2 years ago

      Got it. A lot of European countries are ostensibly democratic, and the European auto safety testing is fairly rigorous, same as the states.

      Heres how they work:

      https://www.euroncap.com/en/about-euro-ncap/how-to-read-the-stars/

      Chinese arbitrary manufacturing mistrust is understandable, but their auto manufacturing standards are consistently independently affirmed as world-class while Tesla roofs and doors randomly fall off vehicles, for a bit of perspective on auto safety and manufacturing methods

      Neither the US or the EU require annual testing for tested car models, which I agree would be nice.

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        2 years ago

        It’s not arbitrary, it’s earnt. It’s been cheap reg breaking (and spec breaking) stuff for decades. Things made of “Chinesium” are known for amazing cheapness not quality. It’s going to take a while for Chinese cars to shake off that baggage.

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          2 years ago

          At this point, baseless prejudice against Chinese EVs is just that.

          They have high safety ratings, BYD has the highest safety testing Europe offers, they’ve been selling for years in Australia and Europe, and Tesla has doors and roofs falling off, Plus they just issued a recall for literally all cyber trucks because they built the accelerator pedal wrong.

          If you don’t trust euro automotive standards, say that, don’t complain about the safety standards set by Europe that Chinese EVs are exceeding.

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            2 years ago

            It is not baseless if there is form with other goods. Let’s not pretend Chinese manufacturing has a good reputation. Time with the cars being good will fix that, but it is still a thing to overcome.

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              2 years ago

              Chinese EVs have been sold internationally for years, they’re performing better than other cars and test better and safer, other companies have failed those tests yet your only concerns are about Chinese cars.

              Your “concerns” are simple prejudice by your own standards.

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                2 years ago

                I’m sure over time, if they keep up a good standard, the whole “Chinesium” thing will go away. Would help if other stuff from China was better made too.

                The world needs EVs at the price, range and quality these appear to be. European and American companies will only bought a bit of time by fear of “Chinesium” and spyware.

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                    2 years ago

                    I said right at the beginning of this Amazon, EBay, etc where to blame too. I’d also blame US and EU regulators for not coming down on substandard stuff being sold on these platforms by drop shippers and flyby night companies. China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair, but AliExpress is no better and is not a US/EU platform.