Ive been taking my grandma to church on sundays for about half a year now. Sermons have usually been about not being a dick and, like, donating food and diapers.
Still waiting for someone to yell about the purity of manhood or something but I get the impression they have more important things to think about.
To be fair, most religious leaders don’t preach hate - but they can’t normally speak out against it. Much like FOX News’ excuse for spreading the stolen election lies, if they speak out against what their followers believe, they lose followers. Shit excuse, shit people.
Did Subway fund Jared’s legal defenses and shuffle him, still employed, from location to location to cover up rapes (without doing anything preventing him from finding new victims through their stores, of course)?
Subway’s got a lot more problems than the unsavory personal life of its past spokesperson, but the sandwitch guy at the local one is just a wretch who doesn’t get commissions (or, likely, tips) for his service. I’d take a look at John Oliver’s main LWT segment on Subway Sandwiches.
However, the child sexual assault scandals and cover-ups of religious ministries is not unique to the Roman Catholic Church and but is epidemic among major ones, conspicuously centered around youth ministries.
And it’s indicative of a system that doesn’t sufficiently vet people who work with kids (contrast faculty of public schools) and aims more to silence victims and preserve the (now false) reputation of the church rather than preserve justice and transparency and care for the victims.
It speaks ill of organizations that allegedly carry God’s favor that they feel compelled to keep secrets and allow sexual violence to fester within their own ranks.
I know. When any post contains the word “catholic” pretty much half of the comments say exactly your point. The catholic church is a hierarchy, and it has god-awful middle management. But condemning an entire religion because of internal corruption is like condemning a minimum wage employee for the actions of their boss’s boss’s boss. The guy’s just trying to make a sandwich.
I’m no longer religious, but I probably would not be the person I am were it not for Catholic teachings. It was probably in Catholic school which taught me that you don’t have to prove anything to anyone. This advice complements my maverick and individualistic personality but it isn’t to say that I haven’t had insecurities and not minded what others think. I was also taught to be compassionate and humble. However, the last two could only go so far as I learned growing up that it led me to being a figurative door mat for others.
Nevertheless, all of those doesn’t excuse the Catholic church’s corruption and sexual abuse scandals. The Catholic church also, up until recently, force left handed folks to be right handed. That is one of the weirdest superstitions and beliefs that the Catholic church has. Oh and the Catholic church is still impractically anti-divorce.
A friend of mine is deeply Catholic, teaches high school American history, has progressive values (is pro-civil-rights) and explains it that he has a spot in his brain for all the church stuff, wheras the rest of his brain adheres to science and the secular morality we’ve developed through trial and error and beating back the dominance-minded shenanigans of plutocrats. I’ve met many Catholics like him.
But then theres Brett Kavanaugh and all the rest of the Federalist Society, who believe in pre-constitutional feudalism (so long as they get to be aristocrats).
So I’m pretty sure Catholics can be kind and compassionate and merciful despite their faith. But doing so is quite common.
Yeah, but that’s anecdotal. I know a Catholic Guy who is a math doctor, and he doesn’t have to compartmentalize his faith with his rationality, he simply doesn’t see a contradiction between the sciences and his faith. He believes in a round Earth, he rejects and detests Trump worship, and is all around an amazing person, often BECAUSE of his faith rather against…
He sees Christians who do bad things in Christ’s name as shameful, and he often voices disapproval for “Trad Caths” and such barbaric ideas as Prosperity Gospel.
Catholics are more like my friend, not your friend, you just need to leave the New Atheist bubble these Reddit-style forums get into.
But your example is also anecdotal? Catholics aren’t more like your friend or more like his. They’re both Catholic. It’s a diverse group. Sweeping generalizations don’t help anyone.
Ive been taking my grandma to church on sundays for about half a year now. Sermons have usually been about not being a dick and, like, donating food and diapers.
Still waiting for someone to yell about the purity of manhood or something but I get the impression they have more important things to think about.
The child rape lawsuits?
To be fair, most religious leaders don’t preach hate - but they can’t normally speak out against it. Much like FOX News’ excuse for spreading the stolen election lies, if they speak out against what their followers believe, they lose followers. Shit excuse, shit people.
Yeah the guy who made my sandwich at Subway didn’t apologize for Jared Fogle being a pedophile so he’s a shit person too /s
Did Subway fund Jared’s legal defenses and shuffle him, still employed, from location to location to cover up rapes (without doing anything preventing him from finding new victims through their stores, of course)?
My sandwich artist certainly didn’t
‘/s’ would be a lot more tolerable if it meant ‘Subway’.
there’s a wide audience for posts on the internet, trying to make sure I communicate clearly for everyone 🥲
I appreciate sarcasm tags. There’s always a bigger idiot. Sometimes it’s me, but sometimes it’s someone unironically saying something cartoonish.
Subway’s got a lot more problems than the unsavory personal life of its past spokesperson, but the sandwitch guy at the local one is just a wretch who doesn’t get commissions (or, likely, tips) for his service. I’d take a look at John Oliver’s main LWT segment on Subway Sandwiches.
However, the child sexual assault scandals and cover-ups of religious ministries is not unique to the Roman Catholic Church and but is epidemic among major ones, conspicuously centered around youth ministries.
And it’s indicative of a system that doesn’t sufficiently vet people who work with kids (contrast faculty of public schools) and aims more to silence victims and preserve the (now false) reputation of the church rather than preserve justice and transparency and care for the victims.
It speaks ill of organizations that allegedly carry God’s favor that they feel compelled to keep secrets and allow sexual violence to fester within their own ranks.
I know. When any post contains the word “catholic” pretty much half of the comments say exactly your point. The catholic church is a hierarchy, and it has god-awful middle management. But condemning an entire religion because of internal corruption is like condemning a minimum wage employee for the actions of their boss’s boss’s boss. The guy’s just trying to make a sandwich.
I’m no longer religious, but I probably would not be the person I am were it not for Catholic teachings. It was probably in Catholic school which taught me that you don’t have to prove anything to anyone. This advice complements my maverick and individualistic personality but it isn’t to say that I haven’t had insecurities and not minded what others think. I was also taught to be compassionate and humble. However, the last two could only go so far as I learned growing up that it led me to being a figurative door mat for others.
Nevertheless, all of those doesn’t excuse the Catholic church’s corruption and sexual abuse scandals. The Catholic church also, up until recently, force left handed folks to be right handed. That is one of the weirdest superstitions and beliefs that the Catholic church has. Oh and the Catholic church is still impractically anti-divorce.
Catholics are way more based than people give them credit for
Some Catholics.
A friend of mine is deeply Catholic, teaches high school American history, has progressive values (is pro-civil-rights) and explains it that he has a spot in his brain for all the church stuff, wheras the rest of his brain adheres to science and the secular morality we’ve developed through trial and error and beating back the dominance-minded shenanigans of plutocrats. I’ve met many Catholics like him.
But then theres Brett Kavanaugh and all the rest of the Federalist Society, who believe in pre-constitutional feudalism (so long as they get to be aristocrats).
So I’m pretty sure Catholics can be kind and compassionate and merciful despite their faith. But doing so is quite common.
Yeah, but that’s anecdotal. I know a Catholic Guy who is a math doctor, and he doesn’t have to compartmentalize his faith with his rationality, he simply doesn’t see a contradiction between the sciences and his faith. He believes in a round Earth, he rejects and detests Trump worship, and is all around an amazing person, often BECAUSE of his faith rather against…
He sees Christians who do bad things in Christ’s name as shameful, and he often voices disapproval for “Trad Caths” and such barbaric ideas as Prosperity Gospel.
Catholics are more like my friend, not your friend, you just need to leave the New Atheist bubble these Reddit-style forums get into.
But your example is also anecdotal? Catholics aren’t more like your friend or more like his. They’re both Catholic. It’s a diverse group. Sweeping generalizations don’t help anyone.
True
It’s all of the child rape. There are other things (a lot of other things), but that’s probably the main one.