When you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
-Geddy Lee, Neil Peart, and Alex Lifeson
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor
-Desmond Tutu
You should change the attribution to Rush. Neil was the lyricist of the group.
It’s not a matter of choice, either you have morals or you don’t. He doesn’t.
You have morals or you have money. It’s a binary thing really.
Does that make Keanu Reeves nonbinary?
An exception perhaps.
Yes! It’s so clear with issues like this one, too.
- There is a genocide
- Should you help in any way?
Those who answer “not sure” are absolutely the same as those who say “no”. History doesn’t remember future intentions, only actions that take place.
People who can’t even VOICE that genocide is wrong are fucking monsters.
Isn’t Netanyahu wanted for genocide?
Well, it’s complex
No, he’s wanted for accusation of “the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.”
OK so genocide with extra steps?
No.
Genocide: The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group. You said they willfully targeted civilians. That fits the definition of genocide. Targeting the civilian population to kill on a large scale. Thats what they’re doing in Gaza. They even made israeli encampments and new settlements. Wiping them off slowly and replacing them with Israelis: Genocide. I know you’re a zionist. Dont pretend hitler didnt go jew for the fourth reich.
Only by like 5-6 countries.
Only the countries with balls
Only the countries with a moral compass
Far more are ICC signatories, most of the world in fact.
However, some have cowardly said they will not arrest Netanyahu because Israel is not an ICC signatory.
Israel existing, and being protected from neighbors is, to my mind, a “complex political issue.”
Israel performing genocide on Palestinians and annexing their homes is not.
Keep digging that hole, Ed.
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My perception of this dude went from:
Okay maybe he likes sticking his head in the sand cause of money.
To:
He fully knows what he is doing and is complicit.
What a royal fuck up.
Also, my own two cents.
This never started as complex, and imo it’s not complex now. It is to Israel’s benefit for it to be seen as complex so they can do false equivalency.
A bully would love for observers to believe that both sides are equally in the wrong.
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“yes, I know that snipers shoot children in the head for fun, but have you considered the complex history of the region?”
It’s no less complicated than the US using 9/11 as an excuse to intensify it’s militaristic nature into a 25 year reign of terror in the middle east.
Is is maintain the status quo which is Israelis exterminating Palestinians
Listen, this genocide has a lot of nuances and moving parts and history, which means maybe it’s not a situation where you can just stick your neck in and say “Killing children is wrong”.
I mean, consider a corollary - the British extermination of the Irish. Yeah, it looked bad at the time. But a bunch of Irish people survived. And as a consequence, we have to put up with Ed Sheeran.
I clicked that link and his stupid mug made me reflexively want to down vote you.
He’s ginger
It’s not that complicated Ed. I got a pretty clear picture from an hour of research. Maybe if you get out of your algorithm for 20 minutes you might find something more tangible on the situation than a few chapters from a dusty religious text and the word of a bunch of rich assholes with vested interests in the region.
A couple years ago it was complex. The complexity just stopped mattering once Israel turned the conflict into a war of annihilation.
It was always this simple at its core. What made it complex was that most people believed Israeli lies.
Right now, Israel is doing exactly what they’ve done since the very first day. They’re just doing it faster now, and in the age of ubiquitous video coverage and information flow.
“Complex” doesn’t mean “balanced”. Israel has always pulled underhanded shit like extending its de facto borders by means of “settlements”. The Hamas/PLO fight also didn’t happen without its involvement. But there have also been factors like the involvement of foreign powers, German guilt, the similarity between Zionism and early Nazi deportation plans, and so on.
The conflict between Israel and Palestine has been a mess from the very beginning and it’s understandable that people were reluctant to get involved. Of course these days most of that complexity doesn’t matter and not taking a stand is a luxury we shouldn’t be able to afford.
(I’m saying “shouldn’t be able to” because honestly we routinely ignore genocides; this one just happens to be particularly hard to ignore because Israel is a spotlight hog with huge diplomatic influence.)
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I get that’s how it seemed if you weren’t read up on it back then, and you’re not to blame, but what’s happening now is just a matter of extent.
What is so complex about one side genociding the other?
The complex part is in turning it all around and shifting blame away from Israel.
Look, Ed. It’s actually quite simple: A nazi state called Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza after they fabricated a terrorist attack so Bibi the nazi could declare a war and avoid prison. And a good portion of the nazi country is actually not ok with the genocide because they’d like bibi to hit them harder.
fabricated a terrorist attack
Fuck Israel and all they’ve done in retaliation but the attack seemed pretty genuine to me. And to be fair I don’t blame Hamas for the attack, considering the years of systematic oppression beforehand
edit: I should’ve read the whole article first, I wasn’t aware of money being funnelled to Hamas and soliders being pulled back. Interesting…
Talk about the Streisand effect
Yes, any Middle East issue is complex and unrest has been ongoing for centuries, but at least mass displacement, killing children and other innocent people, destruction and blockading of humanitarian resources, and incursion into sovreign territory should be condemned, don’t you think, Ed? And the words “Free Palestine” are not anti-Israel, no one seemed to have a big problem with any of Macklemore’s words, until some billionaire ten days later phoned him up about it.
One side is far more powerful and commiting genocide, the other is poor and simply trying to survive. Currently it is not complex at all.
My initial position after those first attacks from Hamas were Isreal has the right to defend itself, but what has happened since then is so far beyond the scope of what is acceptable, it is horrible.
There’s a deeper level to it. Israel, especially netanyahu over his long career, created the entire situation. And they did it directly and intentionally
Palestine used to be governed by the PLA. Hamas are hardliners - their founding goal was to turn the region against Israel and drive out the Israeli people. Hardliners are the least effective form of any movement
Israel held elections for Palestinians, giving them an official group to negotiate with, as well as some legal recognition that allows them to collect funds
As soon as Hamas won a single election, they stopped holding elections and the PLA leaders were assassinated soon after
Not to mention the on again off again attacks… Israel would build them infrastructure like hospitals and desalinization plants, then blow them up
There’s a lot to say on the topic, so I’ll end it with a fact that really puts things in contrast…
Before October 11, the average age in Gaza was under 18, and it isn’t like their population numbers were booming
Lust for power and wanting to be godlike is pretty surface level. Nothing too deep there. Same-old, same-old throughout history.
There’s a lot more to it than that… It’s a complicated situation primarily motivated by a lust for power and profit, but there’s layers and layers to it. There’s many involved interests and much to learn about how and why horrible things are happening
It’s easy to point to a war criminal and just label them as evil, but then you learn nothing useful
No one is evil in their own story, and by understanding the motivations and methods of great acts of evil you can understand where to apply pressure to stop it, as well as recognizing these same patterns elsewhere before it ends in another example of the worst crime against humanity
Isreal has the right to defend itself
Israel has been on the offense for 80 years, read a damn history book. PRETENDING that this began on Oct.7 is intellectual dishonesty and evidence that you regurgitate talking points sans critical thought.
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still a completely pro Israel take.
how can there be peace when Israel kidnaps Palestinians off the streets with impunity?
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No signs of escalation like, say, sniping children in the crowd of a peaceful protest at the walls of a ghetto?
hes not arguing in good faith. he asks for a citation of one of THE MOST WELL documented modern oppression:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody
like asking for a citation when someone claims the sky is blue or grass is green.
By the way, how long does the International Court of Justice need to decide? I think things would be much easier then.
The Wikipedia page documents the process pretty nicely:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa's_genocide_case_against_Israel
It’s … complicated.
