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    10 days ago

    For at least the last 45 years, Republicans have cast every Democrat politician as a Socialist or extreme leftist. No matter how left, center, or middle they are, Republicans always say they’re far left. So why the hell would you move to the right just because you’re afraid they’re going to call you names? Everyone knows that no matter how far to the right you move, they’re still going to scream that you’re the most extreme liberal who has ever run for office?

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      9 days ago

      It’s the same thing that happened with the GOP. Moderate neoconservatives got pulled into the fascist/tea party/MAGA movement and lumped together by the liberal establishment. Now they’re stuck there because they’d rather vote within party lines than vote for a lib.

      Now libs are getting thrown in the same boat as DSA, including the Marxists and anarchists. The DNC wants to stay relevant, they see leftists are winning and do not want to piss off what’s left of their liberal voting base by siding with the GOP against the DSA, who are proposing very sensible progressive reforms.

      The right had painted a target on anyone left of center since the 90s and the rise of alt-right talk radio (Rush Limbaugh). Then they went completely off the deep end when Obama was elected and the brief period of time Dems had control of congress (and ultimately failed because they serve the same special interests).

      The two-party ticket is the problem, yet that’s the way it is until DSA-backed candidates gain enough traction in government to finally enact the great split.

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        I think republicans being shameless liars is the problem… but you know… think what you want I guess.

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          I would level that same accusation against the liberal establishment. All talk, no follow through. No fight, no action, and it’s all by design. They serve the same corporate donors, bow to AIPAC just like the GOP. They just like to monopolize politeness through political correctness, in order to exploit marginalized groups for votes. All while engaging in insider trading.

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            One side wants to do a genocide on trans people and immigrants.

            Equivocating sides is fascist apologia. Get out of here with your both sides bullshit. No one is falling for it.

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              No, liberals want to say they’ll help marginalized groups while continuing to support the capitalist institutions that feed their oppression.

              I haven’t seen much a fight out of the Dems lately as trans and other groups are losing their rights. Not to mention their totally incoherent and weak election platform in 2024.

              People are waking up and starting to see how useless they are. The wave of actual leftists are coming, and the Carvills, Pelosis, Schumers, Manchins and Fettermans need to get out of the way. Not fighting against the GOP and refusing to primary actual leftists makes them complicit, and therefore, just as fascist.

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                Ok sure, they don’t fight the fascists hard enough. I agree.

                One side still IS the fascists though.

                Sometimes details matter, and sometimes they don’t. There were a lot of homophobes who defeated the Nazis.

                Should allies of gay people have rejected their help in world war 2?

                “Sorry. I know the Nazis are genociding gay people, but I won’t be seen fighting alongside a homophobe like you, Paul.”

                Google pragmatism.

                Use it.

                (John Fetterman hasn’t been a Democrat since his brain injury. Absolutely get him out of there. I agree with you on him)

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                  Did pragmatism and compromise work when Obama was president and Dems had control of congress, only managing to bang out a watered-down capitalist healthcare bill, and refused to completely steamroll the opposition, like the GOP are doing now? Or how they stole the primary from Bernie, who would’ve won against Trump?

                  I’m welcome to taking allies as well, but the potential allies im seeing seem to not want to get with program. And in many instances, they’re fighting us. No more compromising with a neoliberal agenda. Leftism and progressivism is getting far more popular now.

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                    Judging from your lack of emotional response and your failure to address any of my points, I’m going to assume you’re either a bot or a troll.