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    No, liberals want to say they’ll help marginalized groups while continuing to support the capitalist institutions that feed their oppression.

    I haven’t seen much a fight out of the Dems lately as trans and other groups are losing their rights. Not to mention their totally incoherent and weak election platform in 2024.

    People are waking up and starting to see how useless they are. The wave of actual leftists are coming, and the Carvills, Pelosis, Schumers, Manchins and Fettermans need to get out of the way. Not fighting against the GOP and refusing to primary actual leftists makes them complicit, and therefore, just as fascist.

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      Ok sure, they don’t fight the fascists hard enough. I agree.

      One side still IS the fascists though.

      Sometimes details matter, and sometimes they don’t. There were a lot of homophobes who defeated the Nazis.

      Should allies of gay people have rejected their help in world war 2?

      “Sorry. I know the Nazis are genociding gay people, but I won’t be seen fighting alongside a homophobe like you, Paul.”

      Google pragmatism.

      Use it.

      (John Fetterman hasn’t been a Democrat since his brain injury. Absolutely get him out of there. I agree with you on him)

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        Did pragmatism and compromise work when Obama was president and Dems had control of congress, only managing to bang out a watered-down capitalist healthcare bill, and refused to completely steamroll the opposition, like the GOP are doing now? Or how they stole the primary from Bernie, who would’ve won against Trump?

        I’m welcome to taking allies as well, but the potential allies im seeing seem to not want to get with program. And in many instances, they’re fighting us. No more compromising with a neoliberal agenda. Leftism and progressivism is getting far more popular now.

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          Judging from your lack of emotional response and your failure to address any of my points, I’m going to assume you’re either a bot or a troll.

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            Why are looking for an emotional response when I’m offering factual observations? I’m actually emotionally detached from this. It’s all playing towards the collapse of the empire, historical forces are at work and it’s inevitable. What liberals might have done pre-Reagan and pre-McCarthy is irrelevant to the present. Capitalism ultimately won with Reagan, exacerbated by Clinton, and now the entire system is decaying because of it. The democrats are encouraging this decay along with the GOP.

            And this is why I’ve radicalized even further. It’s the gaslighting from mainstream democrats. I already know the GOP are corrupt, fascist and unapologetically capitalist. I’m more interested in why liberals aren’t seeing the contradictions in their own ranks.