Just in time for them to take physical discs away! Edit: This is only in EU! For now.
It’s almost like Sony doesn’t want to have a PlayStation division anymore.
It’s odd timing given that microsoft seems to be giving up on Xbox
The Xbox people have a better grasp of things. Consoles have little reason to exist… and the writing was on the wall when the PS3 stumbled out the gate. Really, in the PS2 era, all those Renderware / id Tech 3 / Unreal 1 games running the same on every platform was a big hint that there was no longer a benefit to having different platforms. Now there’s just various badges over x86 PCs and smartphones - and the smartphones are starting to run Steam games.
None of which is to say that Microsoft has conducted their grand scheme to computer-ify the console market with any degree of finesse, consistency, or follow-through. They’re still idiots for setting successful studios on fire, and for refusing to shit or get off the pot vis-a-vis whether there’s gonna be an Xbox The Next One.
tbh, the big thing that made PS2 great for me when I was young is that I could just plug in the disc and play the game… well, at least most of the time. “Please insert a PS2 disc” was definitely a pain.
Back then, the PS2 was graphically-superior to the PC, at least in terms of cost per dollar. They designed console motherboards to integrate to the different components in ways to make them much faster at video games specifically.
Nowadays, consoles are just glorified PCs, and they have no technological advantage. No technological advantage, no public appetite for console exclusives, no reason to exist.
Like HL2 running on your browser
I wouldn’t be surprised.
The whole tech industry is very overtly hell bent on pushing through an ai controlled dystopia.
What good would the current model of gaming be?
Have a bunch of people work very hard on a game and all that work “loses it’s value” after a year or so. (In their eyes, shit’s gotta sell).
When you can have ai just dream/hallucinate up a game and stream that instead? (It’s nowhere near that yet, but holy shit would they love it)
Now you have an endless stream of stuff to sell that costs you zero manpower.
Now the good peasants go work and can have half an hour of slop per day as a reward. And if they revolt, you just cut them off.
Where this breaks down is where the AI tech is in this decade/century. Between running out of RAM and the fact these agents barely get marginally difficult tasks (programming wise) done, they won’t be outputting the slop AAA games are today. When you have people making games and most players are pissed at how bad they are and how expensive, we all know that AI built games will be way, way worse and stild as expensive.
do they have any other lines of business that make them money??
i know the camera business is supplies sensors to the majority of cellphones… but the tv business is dead, the phone business is dead (or might asd well be, since it’s asia only), the movie studio can’t buy a hit, what does sony do if it doenst have paystation??>
The phones are not Asia only
Notably, the clause is conspicuously absent from terms governing Mexico, the United States, and several other regions, meaning players there are not currently subject to the policy. By contrast, the provision has been enforceable in the United Kingdom and various European countries for years, though it largely escaped public notice until the recent physical-format debate brought renewed scrutiny to Sony’s digital practices.
guys let me introduce you to chinese handhelds with 1351251351513 games on, your old shool consoles with physical disk, and remind you of ALL THOSE cool games you always wanted to play but had no time to do so.
Yeah really I have no desire for new stuff. Like, why? Ive never once cared about graphics, even when I was around 8, I remember thinking people caring about graphics was stupid, because its the game that matters. Never have I bought a game because it was “shiny” or because I could see a baseball players eyelash. Who cares. I want a game, not a reality simulator (well, I do enjoy walking/ driving simulators once in a while, but not because of graphics!)
Now flashy graphics are fine and all but not at the expense of the game.
Iif I even tried completing every game from 1975 to 1999, I’d have enough play for more than a lifetime of gaming.
New really isnt that great, for me. Some good indie games here and there, sure.
I think ps3 graphics are good enough any thing higher doesn’t make me more immersed and pulling out of immersion to go “oooo pretty” is neat now and then but not that important. I’ll say I do occasionally stop to be impressed by really good shadows though
I always goto Civilization as the example. One of the best games ever before the recent versions… No emphasis on graphics…just well balanced strategy and gameplay. Civ 3 ftw
Graphics are all cool and all, but unless the game is great, graphics to me are worthless. I never understood people that put graphics over gameplay. Such a stupid concept. To top all you said, new games are mid at best, and shit in their usual state. Rarely a game comes out that is GOOD! I tend of playing 10+ years old games recently … and why would I need a newer console or PC ? For what ?
You like walking simulators? You should try DayZ
I have, it was too complex for me
Pick a direction, walk until you die. Rinse, and repeat.
It does have a bit of a learning curve but it’s pretty rewarding if the gameplay clicks with you. Plus it’s apparently great at modeling nature (compared to other games, that is). My lumberjack friend is constantly raving about how the trees types/placement and the forests in general are pretty realistic
The problem is that most of the trillions of games suck and the ones that I had heard of often aren’t on there. I also wish there was some way for multiplayer, I would pay more if they figured that out for some games.
There is a way you put your own games. Most of those handhrlds are simple emulators that you can put whatever you like up to ps3 in some cases even (hard).
There is multiplayer. Almost all modern handheld Chinese consoles have multiplayer for many games. Look it up, they are very mature.
There isn’t on the one I have. What brand do you recommend?
Anbernic, ayeneo, motion mini, lots of options, and to be honest much more there if you dig deeper :)
Which one has the best multiplayer platform or do they all work the same?
I cant say much. I have seen up to 4 people play different games on these platforms. Usually Anmbernic is the most popular choice, and I would personally, but look at aliexpress etc. even their official web page is more expensive than that. Again dont take my word for it, look up youtube, there are tons of videos on those. I personally like the vertical handhelds, but I know people preffer the horizontals, and they are more powerfull.
Another coice is Odin btw, that is I think one of the most powerfull handhelds, that can even run steam no problem *others can as well but with limited capabilities because of the hardware.
The Nintendo DSi can also be made to use emulation. I play nes and snes on mine currently and also downloaded ds games
What are you talking about
Follow the conversation idk.
I logged into steam after like 15 years and it still worked.
how is that even legal?
we need better consumer protection for digital purchases.
Read the EULA sometime on a game you “own” on steam (or any platform for that matter).
Almost without a doubt you’re being granted a license to one copy of the game used the way they say it can be used. Most of the licenses are revokable for violating the conditions, many just outright say “hey we can take this away at any time for any reason and you can suck it” which is in a legal gray area I suppose.
As far as how it’s legal, you don’t have to do business with any of these various entities and you’re agreeing to their terms when you get their product. Plus, like you said, there is very little consumer protections in place.
I agree we need more consumer protections on general and particularly for digital purchases. However, at least in the USA, the prevailing political winds are heavily in favor of companies and anti consumer. The Trump admin basically dismantled the bureau of consumer protection so … That should tell you their priorities.
I know, no digital purchase actually has the product, just a license, unless you get a drm free product.
It’s literally because of consumer protection laws. GDPR requires the deletion of unused data, to ensure companies aren’t just holding onto your data indefinitely. This is simply the consequence of that, because Sony has apparently determined that three years is enough of a threshold to be considered “unused”.
Why lie about something like this?
Because it isn’t a lie. Companies need to justify why they are retaining personal information after they stop using it. If they can’t justify it, they need to delete it.
And you think Sony is going to put their neck on the line to try and argue that keeping old unused accounts open is a justifiable reason? They have literally zero incentive to do so, and a large profit incentive to delete accounts as soon as they can reasonably argue that they are too old. Because that will push people towards re-buying games they already purchased once before.
It absolutely is a lie.
It really reveals the nature of your purchase, doesn’t it? Apparently you are just buying some entries in a database. Sadly any software we can’t use offline can just be deleted like this. The pendulum swung too far towards the cloud, hopefully it comes back down to earth soon.
yhea, that is 100% bullshit.
GDPR isn’t new, and no company was forced to do that.
Might as well block the highway with my car saying that the law forces me to do that, because I cannot pass cars on the left lane, and I point to the “right” lane (opposite direction traffic) on the other side of the barrier.
But good news, according to EU regulations you should just a toilet in your house, you are meant to spew shite into it.
What an excellent way to convince aging gamers to just never buy from Sony again.
Yup, although I haven’t purchased a Sony product in over a decade because they started charging a monthly fee for online services I got free on PC. Funny because I was a fanboy like no other during the console wars.
I was considering buying one for GTA VI. I’ll wait for the PC release, thanks.
i bought portal2 when it came out on ps3… it also let me set up a steam account through my ps3, because that was going to be the next big thing (this was before ps+ and multiplayer was still free)
12 years later i got a PC, i downloaded steam… and when i logged in, there was portal2 waiting for me to download it.
sony can go fuck themselves
Did you actually play Portal 2? And what did you think of it?
Also not OP: It was fun. More backstory, more mechanics. I didn’t have a family to play the multiplayer co-op stuff, but it also looked fun.
Not the original commenter, but I really enjoyed it. A little bit longer than Portal with some real gems in the dialog. I would say if you enjoyed the first one, then play the second. I did not do any of the couch-co-op stuff, just the main story, so I have no idea if it’s decent.
Coop is fun, especially when you’re messing with your partner
This is a good thing, companies shouldn’t hoard people’s data forever.
Non-spamblog version of the same article: https://www.levelup.com/en/news/playstation-could-permanently-delete-your-psn-account-and-digital-library-for-this-reason/
Thanks, saw MSN had entire articles essentially that were just slop summaries the other day & was put off worrying about journos
My biggest mistake was buying a PS4 instead of jumping to PC a generation earlier than I eventually did.
I bought my wife a ps5. Regretting that decision too.
Sony’s reminding me of their “599 US DOLLARS” era very heavily lately. Gaming has been in such a rough spot lately, it’s a shame.
The fact that digital everything has been such a clusterfuck of unwashed ass pushed me back to rock climbing. Thanks/go fuck yourself tech conglomerates! I’ve definitely drawn similar associations, Rick
I started playing ukulele because i did not feel like spending a years savings on a new gaming pc and nvidia fucked up gforce now. A recorder/flute is like 7 $. But its impossible to play silent.
It had the curse of being worth more than movies and television, so it attracted every “entertainment” investor around, demanding short term profits like movies do. Now we have giant corporations thinking they can even remotely understand what a creative medium is, and then being shocked when we don’t buy their latest “written by HR”/microtransaction bullshit. Meanwhile Indie is doing great! Surprise, creative people make good creative products.
I haven’t logged in since my PS3 died a couple years ago.
Tried to log in to their website with my saved password. It said the password was wrong. I reset my password, entered the same one that I previously used, fully expecting it to give the frustrating answer “Previous passwords can’t be re-used.” But no, it let me use it! Weird.
So some password systems prepend the hash algorithm to your password hash, that way you can tell if the user has migrated to the new algorithm or not when you change your hashing scheme.
Odds are after the PSN breach they changed the algorithm and have since removed the code to check the old algorithm. So it just sees the hash didn’t match with the new algorithm even though the password is the same.
I had not used my ps3 in ages and he to redo the thermal paste on it. Once I got it back up I was able to access my downloaded games without connecting to the network. Maybe the ps4 or 5 is always online requirement?
I think it does affect PS3, because I booted mine up a couple months ago and it would not let me log in or play my downloaded games. I have to reactivate my account or some bullshit. Should have just left its network cable unplugged
Similar for me, a few years I tried to log back on to claim a free game giveaway just in case I bought a PS4/5.
Instead my account was deleted. This account doesn’t exist, or something like that. Can’t make a new account with that email because an account exists. Amazing. I had some stuff on there, I got the receipts.
So I’m surprised at this thread because I thought that was already the policy. Maybe for accounts in countries with no consumer protection rules this was more or less already happening.
I even logged into my Uplay because I knew it was linked to my PSN, to see if there’s a way to get any information about my PSN account. And yes, it showed the accounts were linked, and that I was unsuccessfully logging on with the correct email.
I could have bought a used PS4 during Covid and maybe later a PS5 if I got into their stuff. Alas (for Sony) I tripled down on PC. Even got a Steam deck at an extortionate markup when I felt like it would be worth it for me, via a third country where it’s not officially available. Good stuff
There are doing a speed run no one wants.
You will eat nothing and you will be happy
My decade old Sony boycott looks more & more prescient every week.
I should’ve listened to the haters. I got way too leveraged into Sony’s ecosystem and so now I suffer.
The good is I still have enough PC games that I actually own (well, control) to last me for years and years and years.
The last good product Sony made was the Walkman.
Trinitron, Vaio, Mini-Discs, Cybershots, FF/ASPC Cameras, WH-1000X headphones. They have had some decent stuff, less so recently.
