• yesman@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I think it’s neat that Newton is taught first. As in: gravity is a function of mass. Because that works in so many scenarios.

    But then you learn that gravity bends light and that photons have no mass.

    So… Gravity isn’t a force, it’s more like going downhill… in the dimension of time.

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        3 days ago

        They have momentum, but not mass (ignore the other explanation, like yes, E=sqrt(m0^2 c^4 + (pc)^2), but so what? m0=0 for photons)

        As you can see, momentum, p, is p=E/c, and we know that the energy for light is proportional to its frequency, f, E=hf (h is Plank’s constant). So, p=hf/c. When light is absorbed by a material momentum (and energy) conservation apply and it imparts p onto the object. If light is reflected it imparts 2*p, showing this is left as an exercize to the reader

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        3 days ago

        They have mass. Everything that has energy has mass. They don’t have inertial mass but it’s just part of the equation

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          2 days ago

          I think you are stating that backwards.

          You can definitely say that everything with mass has energy. And yeah the two are kind of interchangeable.

          But that does not mean that a photon HAS mass. It just means that we can calculate how much mass its energy is equivalent to.

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          2 days ago

          They have momentum, not mass, in relativistic physics you need something more complex than p=mv to describe momentum.

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            2 days ago

            Energy=mass always. Theoretically you can make a black hole out of light, or you can turn that photon energy into inertial mass by running light in a closed loop.

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              2 days ago

              No lol, there’s a momentum component to that equation which is just conveniently 0 for massive objects at rest, photons don’t have a rest reference frame and are governed by E=pc.