I was just commenting that pre-Trumplethinskin is an imaginary state as the US was fascist before we had a name for it. You can’t harken back to a supposed better time when it never existed except inside the head of a misinformed person.
Even if we accept that, doesn’t the existence of somewhat functional democracies that also started as oligarchies refute the statement that “you can’t really recover”?
I believe they are saying that since the previous state was not functional, returning to it would not count as recovery and one needs to fix underlying problems that existed for most/all of the USA’s history.
In git terms: Reverting the branch to the pre-2016 state will not be enough because the issue was caused by old technical debt and one will have to refactor that as well.
No, I reject your musing. Numerous studies have shown the will of the people is a false premise. We live in a fascist world that uses democracy as a window dressing for oligarchy.
They have done similar studies around the world. From my research the biggest indicator is a wealth gap. While this alone does not confirm fascism what does is an ever increasing wealth gap where an extreme minority of the population owns the majority of wealth.
Wealth inequality is a consequence of the existence of markets, and long predates “fascism.” I guess you are using that term in some kind of hyperbolic sense, but I don’t think these type of word games are very constructive.
As it happens, inequality has been moderately successfully addressed since the advent of progressive taxation and welfare states, and some of the democracies we are talking about are among the most egalitarian societies in human history, certainly when it comes to post-neolithic times.
Even aside from oligarchs behind the scenes, it is no surprise that voters’ interests and desires do not align very well with policy in the US, where a two-party system with legalized bribery is in place, and voting rights are unequally weighed and conditional. These factors are either not at all or to a much lesser extent relevant in top-tier democracies.
Thank you for responding, but please provide evidence of a country without an ever widening wealth gap or go home.
I get you don’t understand fascism. It is okay. As Mussolini put it is corporatism. The evolution of corporatism is a corportocracy. Corporations are the dominant form of all social constructs currently regardless of governments or cultures.
I also understand you are under the illusion that any country that exists provides the rights that human beings deserve. There is no country that exists that deserves humanity.
I produced evidence, I don’t speak other languages so my ability to conduct this type of research in other countries is limited. As I explained, my personal metric is an ever growing wealth gap.
Since I have provided evidence and I have done extensive research let’s turn this around. Please provide evidence of a country without an ever growing wealth gap and maybe I will believe we are not living in a fascist world.
I was just commenting that pre-Trumplethinskin is an imaginary state as the US was fascist before we had a name for it. You can’t harken back to a supposed better time when it never existed except inside the head of a misinformed person.
Even if we accept that, doesn’t the existence of somewhat functional democracies that also started as oligarchies refute the statement that “you can’t really recover”?
I believe they are saying that since the previous state was not functional, returning to it would not count as recovery and one needs to fix underlying problems that existed for most/all of the USA’s history.
In git terms: Reverting the branch to the pre-2016 state will not be enough because the issue was caused by old technical debt and one will have to refactor that as well.
No, I reject your musing. Numerous studies have shown the will of the people is a false premise. We live in a fascist world that uses democracy as a window dressing for oligarchy.
Which study, for example?
https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba
That’s a US-only study.
They have done similar studies around the world. From my research the biggest indicator is a wealth gap. While this alone does not confirm fascism what does is an ever increasing wealth gap where an extreme minority of the population owns the majority of wealth.
Wealth inequality is a consequence of the existence of markets, and long predates “fascism.” I guess you are using that term in some kind of hyperbolic sense, but I don’t think these type of word games are very constructive.
As it happens, inequality has been moderately successfully addressed since the advent of progressive taxation and welfare states, and some of the democracies we are talking about are among the most egalitarian societies in human history, certainly when it comes to post-neolithic times.
Even aside from oligarchs behind the scenes, it is no surprise that voters’ interests and desires do not align very well with policy in the US, where a two-party system with legalized bribery is in place, and voting rights are unequally weighed and conditional. These factors are either not at all or to a much lesser extent relevant in top-tier democracies.
Thank you for responding, but please provide evidence of a country without an ever widening wealth gap or go home.
I get you don’t understand fascism. It is okay. As Mussolini put it is corporatism. The evolution of corporatism is a corportocracy. Corporations are the dominant form of all social constructs currently regardless of governments or cultures.
I also understand you are under the illusion that any country that exists provides the rights that human beings deserve. There is no country that exists that deserves humanity.
You gotta be careful or you’ll cut yourself on all that edge
Please, that is just the tip of the iceberg. I will gladly bring receipts.
And yet you still didn’t link a non-us study you claim there are numerous examples of.
I produced evidence, I don’t speak other languages so my ability to conduct this type of research in other countries is limited. As I explained, my personal metric is an ever growing wealth gap.
Since I have provided evidence and I have done extensive research let’s turn this around. Please provide evidence of a country without an ever growing wealth gap and maybe I will believe we are not living in a fascist world.