• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    Do what Republicans do and ignore the courts. They have literally ignored the courts when the same ruling was made against them and used illegal maps. Time for democrats to do the same.

    When your enemy breaks the rules, if you refuse to do the same, the game is over and you lost.

    The difference is these Dem states actually asked permission from voters to do it. The Republican states did not.

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      I wonder if VA allows court packing without constitutional amendment. Send two new justices over and review the ruling. The Republicans overruled the people, it’s warranted.

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    Literally just do it anyway. states use ‘illegal’ districts all the time. The last 10 years have clearly shown that ‘laws’ and ‘judicial rulings’ aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on.

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      That’s just it, though: laws still count when you’re not conservative, as per Wilhoit’s Law:

      “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition … There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” --Frank Wilhoit”

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    Fucking fascist assholes.

    Is this something that could realistically pass Virginia’s state congress as an amendment to their state constitution?

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      The thing that the actual voters voted in was an amendment to the state constitution. It doesn’t get more democracy than this.

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          The 4 Republicans (it was a 4-3 partisan ruling) ruled that the procedure for putting an amendment before voters wasn’t followed. They did that by defining “election” to be from the very first moment a vote is sent in so they could say the initiating vote by the legislature (where it also passed twice) was too late to count as having an intervening election between votes.

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    Their phone number is (804) 786-2251, if you live in Virginia and want to yell at someone about this. I, for one, am fucking PISSED.

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      I’m fucking seething right now. I don’t want to hear any mealy mouthed bullshit from Democrats. Fucking ignore the court and draw the map anyways.

      Tennessee just fucking rammed through new maps explicitly to remove a black representative while state Republicans were literally draped in a MAGA flag. We voted for this and these fascist assholes think they can just strike it down.

      This is fucking war. Going to be blowing up email and phones of my reps all week and attending the soonest protest.

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    At what point do the Virginians physically oust the supreme court? Did they forget the government is supposed to work for the people?

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    Might still be a positive.

    The Virginia Supreme Court on Friday struck down a voter-approved Democratic congressional redistricting plan, delivering another major setback to the party in a nationwide battle against Republicans for an edge in this year’s midterm elections.

    This was voter approved, the new plans would have consolidated Dem voters, now they’re spread out and pissed off, which could lead to more seats than the new map.

    Especially since the DNC has been funding state parties so they can operate at campaign levels for over a year now

    Republicans still use a top-down approach and are saving funds for presidential.

    We’re going to see massive gains in state governments all over from that, setting us up for future elections. Especially if progressives can snag some govenors.

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      The new plan was distributing Democratic voters and consolidating Republican ones, that’s how gerrymandering works. There’s no world in which this is a net positive.

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      Especially if progressives can snag Some govenors

      This part! With a Democratic Socialist as the mayor of NYC and another likely to win the mayorship of LA, it’s very good news for a grassroots progressive movement. The fact that Democratic Socialists are able to hold such big offices is a sign of the Overton window shifting, we just gotta keep up the momentum and keep electing local and state level progressives.

      Those wins aren’t as flashy in the headlines but they matter massively in the long run.

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        We’re only a year deep too:

        https://democrats.org/news/dnc-and-asdc-announces-organize-everywhere-win-anywhere-strategy-largest-ever-monthly-dnc-investment-into-democratic-state-and-territory-parties/

        It’s going to show gains exponentially, but like you said it’s not flashy, and media has an incentive to downplay it.

        They’ll keep saying Dems are “over performing” but this is just the natural result of trying to win as many seats as possible.

        We spent decades where neoliberal chairs wanted a Dem president, but enough Republicans in congress that meaningful progress wouldn’t be made.

        It’s not “over performing”, just what happens when the party actually tries to get Dems elected instead of enforcing their policy on everyone with a D by their name.

        None of this is surprising, it’s all right on track to FDR 2.0

        We just can’t skip the shitty parts, or people won’t realize we need FDR 2.0 enough to vote for them when we get the chance.