Burning down supply warehouses doesn’t stand up to corporations. It enriches different corporations while people who rely on those supplies suffer. If you want to stand up to corporations you need to unionize and enact legislative reform.
The game is logistics which provide necessary supplies to millions of people. Key players are squeezing extra dollars because morons would rather burn down a building than talk with their peers about doing something to change the rules.
While i agree with you that things should be solved by civilized means, in enviroment where workers have no rights, union busting is normal and politicians dont get changes made, what else there is to do?
Why not both? If you look to history, people died trying to unionize and fight for better working conditions. They literally sent thugs to brutalized and kill workers who just wanted better working conditions. This is what you get when people are at their wits end.
If changing the rules fixed the system, the U.S. wouldn’t be where it’s at today. It’s not so easy to change the rules when a few people own all the media and have spent multiple decades consolidating media and power buying up judges and bribing people to write the rules in their favor.
You know what else ruins the environment…billionaires hoard all the wealth and resources, yachts, private jets, huge mansions.
This is small potatoes compared to what the psychopaths in charge are doing. And don’t even get me started on the U.S. military, the largest polluted in the entire world.
Dude, you’re preaching to the choir on that one. I’m still not going to cry over a warehouse burned to the ground who were paying people poverty wages.
The warehouse doesn’t pay anybody, the warehouse holds supplies. The owners of the warehouse, who live in Texas, pay people and they’re incentivized not to change their ways because it’s still more profitable to pay low wages, as are the people who own the empty lot next. If anything the outcome of this is 1) less jobs and 2) rising prices under the guise of shortage.
You could in theory keep burning Kimberly Clark warehouses until they’re forced to liquidate the company and file bankruptcy, but at that point they will either be immediately replaced by another company perhaps worse, or you will simply make it impossible for mothers to obtain diapers for their children, which will among other repercussions have serious effects on public hygiene. Also, the boardmembers and CEO Michael Hsu are definitely walking away from it rich af.
You’re not quite understanding that all of the diapers and soap were owned by billionaires at the time it went up in smoke.
Billionaires already owned all that merchandise. They did buy it, from paper mills chemical plants and other factories. But they didn’t get to sell it.
To them it was a numeric figure on a piece of paper, to the rest of us it was necessary supplies. The owner isn’t even a billionaire, the CEO has about 12M Net Worth.
They weren’t your fucking supplies! They were owned by the fucking billionaires!
It’s a publicly traded company. It is owned by a whole shitload of people. I’m sure I hold a few shares within the mutual funds in my portfolio. If you have any sort of investment portfolio, you very probably do too. But the predominant shareholders are billionaires, not working-class investors.
The CEO is not the owner. He has some shares, sure. But the overwhelming majority of Kimberly-Clark is held by fucking billionaires.
LMAO, liberals be like “you can vote yourself into prosperity and wealth” 🤣
Hate the game, not the players.
Exactly. The game has no rules, as proven by corrupt, fascist, pedophile billionaires. So if they don’t follow the rules, why should anyone? Why are you hating on that player?
People have been following the rules like good dogs for way too long, while being raped in the ass by corporations and billionaires. Time to show them we have teeth too.
Anything goes, including burning down multi-billion dollar corporations. So that something better can rise from the ashes.
Why can’t I shake the feeling you are a wealthy cunt afraid for yourself?
Corrupt Fascist Pedophile Billionaires didn’t have to cheat to get into power, they got there because 6 Million people who voted for Biden in 2020, after 4 years of Trump rule, did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024, after years of Biden rule.
And tbats exactly what Tankies and Fascists pretending to be Anarchists want: to dissuade people from voting in their interests.
Calling people ‘tankies’ and ‘fascists pretending to be anarchists’ does nothing to change these acts. And it does nothing to work towards the nearly universal goals of the working class; goals you and every ‘tankie’ you criticize share.
As the current admin is a touchy subject for you people, let us take a quick, objective look back at a simpler time.
What was materially different for the average person in the George W. Bush administration vs the Barack Obama administration?
Was it worker’s rights? No, not really, bothpresidents gorged themselves on union busting. While the minimum wage did get raised once, technically during Obama’s term (though the legislation passed during W’s admin) neither president advocated for this; and both parties actually fought heavily against this increase at the time while only relenting as a way to offset Bill Clinton’s 2008 Financial Crisis.. Don’t get me wrong with that last quip, Republicans had plenty to do with it, but lets not forget Clinton signed it, and democrats largely stamped it.
Was it… immigrants rights? No. Obama was the deporter-in-chief, even under the best interpretations, whose numbers have yet to be matched and had only one significant rival in world history. Oh but DACA was good right? Oh wait wrong link, sorry. Don’t get me wrong Trump is harsher in this regard… in that white people can now be victims. Nothing Trump has done is new.
How about foreign policy? … Nope. We know the answer to that. Don’t even need links do we. Obama’s legacy of violence showed the world the US does not avoid civilian deaths, in fact we explicitly, wantonly target civilians. Many in the world knew this already, after all exporting violence is what the US is known for outside the west, but Obama made it clear that George W Bush was not a fluke. Republicans were not the source of violence. It was the US itself that was violent.
Gas prices were lower. Sometimes. Under Obama. And food was cheaper. Under Bush. Same amount of insider trading regardless, same corrupt cabinets, same donors to both presidential campaigns, practically the same appointees…
It really does go on. But I’m bored and you probably have other replies expanding on this by now.
I can hate both the game for having shitty rules, and for the players that are exploiting the shitty rules when it would be so easy to just play respectfully by acknowledging that the gaps in rules cause problems with the structure of the entire game and I should more equally distribute my resources if I don’t want anyone of the other players to start flipping the board over.
when it would be so easy to just play respectfully by acknowledging that the gaps in rules cause problems with the structure of the entire game and I should more equally distribute my resources if I don’t want anyone of the other players to start flipping the board over.
The unwritten rule of the game is that the guy who plays fair loses to the one who gets away with cheating. An individual has only so much control over their actions.
Exactly! And when the cheaters do everything they can to make even that impossible, it makes sense that one of those players would also break the rules to start burning the cheaters houses down.
Human nature doesn’t allow an idealist fair society without any rule enforcement. We have to collectively make them, and a bunch of arson is not going to accomplish that because we’re always going to want warehouses an we’re always going to want bathroom supplies.
On the assumption that lobbying, bribing, gerrymandering, institutionele capture, legal capture and the general disfunction of first past the post systems don’t get in the way.
The US Civil War was about the Confederate states attempting to leave the union in order to own black people as slaves.
First of all, thats not what fucking progress looks like. Secondly, the outcome was the violence of the southern state failing to have any lastinf effect towards their ideals.
The French Revolution was decades of bloodshed which nearly fell into autocracy again, there are countless violent revolutions which have failed in the same vein.
Lol, you think the French Constitution magically drafted itself? That the guillotine got up and walked over to start writing the new rules like a fucked uo Frosty the snowman?
The French aristocracy had no need for a new constitution until they started getting slaughtered wholesale. Without the guillotine, there was no pressing need for “the new rules”. Quite the contrary, “the new rules” were overtly harmful to their aristocratic lifestyle. They accepted “the new rules” because the alternative was worse.
If you really try to look. I mean really really put all your mental capacity to work, you can see that there was three. Yes. Three other examples in the list.
The most clever people among us also notices how they all were from different sides of the world and from different cultures.
Oh my. Could it be?! Could it be that, you only see what you want to see and compartmentalize any opinion that differ from your view to nice and cozy, easy to digest boxes? Have you ever tought that you might do that on other parts of your life too?
The United Mine Workers of America finally ran out of money, and called off the strike on December 10, 1914. In the end, the strikers’ demands were not met, the union did not obtain recognition, and many striking workers were replaced. 408 strikers were arrested, 332 of whom were indicted for murder.
Labor Reforms came from public pressure and legislative action, not 1,200 coalminers killing 20 people and lighting a coal mine on fire, 500 getting arrested, and dissolving their own organization due to lack of funds. The organization literally didn’t exist when the reforms happened.
Human society doesn’t exist where humans are priced out of society.
When your bathroom supply warehouse refuses to meet the societal needs of the people you hire to run it, your warehouse is a clear and present danger to the very concept of “society”.
Your exploitative warehouse is able to underbid responsible competitors, drive them out of business. To remain in business against you, they also have to adopt exploitative practices, and put pressure on other warehouses to do the same.
The solution to this downward spiral is surprisingly simple: remove your undue influence from the labor market, and circumstances improve for both your responsible competitors and society. Government can do that better, but arson will work in a pinch.
If people are going to resort to illegal methods of effecting needed change, warehouses are among the best targets available. Much lower risk of causing injuries or deaths than commercial or manufacturing sectors. Relatively few workers on site means the economic harm falls predominantly on the targeted owner class, with little spillover on the working class.
My imagination is rather poor; what would you suggest would be a better target?
This might be illegal, but it is NOT a method of effecting needed change. I’m not promoting Arson at all over organizing unions and promoting progressive reform, but if you’re going to burn something down at least target their financials and personal properties.
NO THEY DIDN’T THEY BURNT DOWN A WAREHOUSE FULL OF SUPPLIES WHICH BELONGED TO THE COMPANY. MICHAEL HSU IS GETTING PAID THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT AFTER THIS.
Not the third party staffing agency, not a bank, not his office, not his cars, none of that. A giant pile of diapers that people needed, that’s what.
Burning down supply warehouses doesn’t stand up to corporations. It enriches different corporations while people who rely on those supplies suffer. If you want to stand up to corporations you need to unionize and enact legislative reform.
Hate the game, not the players.
“The game” is rich people brutalizing humanity to squeeze an extra dollar. The game wouldn’t exist without the players.
The game is logistics which provide necessary supplies to millions of people. Key players are squeezing extra dollars because morons would rather burn down a building than talk with their peers about doing something to change the rules.
While i agree with you that things should be solved by civilized means, in enviroment where workers have no rights, union busting is normal and politicians dont get changes made, what else there is to do?
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Why not both? If you look to history, people died trying to unionize and fight for better working conditions. They literally sent thugs to brutalized and kill workers who just wanted better working conditions. This is what you get when people are at their wits end.
If changing the rules fixed the system, the U.S. wouldn’t be where it’s at today. It’s not so easy to change the rules when a few people own all the media and have spent multiple decades consolidating media and power buying up judges and bribing people to write the rules in their favor.
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You know what else ruins the environment…billionaires hoard all the wealth and resources, yachts, private jets, huge mansions.
This is small potatoes compared to what the psychopaths in charge are doing. And don’t even get me started on the U.S. military, the largest polluted in the entire world.
THEN DO SOMETHING TO THE BILKIONNAIRES, NOT WAREHOUSES FULL OF DAIPERS AND SOAP THAT BILLIONAIRES WOUMDNT EVEN BUY
Even burning the third party staffing agency he worked for would have been better.
Dude, you’re preaching to the choir on that one. I’m still not going to cry over a warehouse burned to the ground who were paying people poverty wages.
The warehouse doesn’t pay anybody, the warehouse holds supplies. The owners of the warehouse, who live in Texas, pay people and they’re incentivized not to change their ways because it’s still more profitable to pay low wages, as are the people who own the empty lot next. If anything the outcome of this is 1) less jobs and 2) rising prices under the guise of shortage.
You could in theory keep burning Kimberly Clark warehouses until they’re forced to liquidate the company and file bankruptcy, but at that point they will either be immediately replaced by another company perhaps worse, or you will simply make it impossible for mothers to obtain diapers for their children, which will among other repercussions have serious effects on public hygiene. Also, the boardmembers and CEO Michael Hsu are definitely walking away from it rich af.
You’re not quite understanding that all of the diapers and soap were owned by billionaires at the time it went up in smoke.
Billionaires already owned all that merchandise. They did buy it, from paper mills chemical plants and other factories. But they didn’t get to sell it.
He did do something to the billionaires.
To them it was a numeric figure on a piece of paper, to the rest of us it was necessary supplies. The owner isn’t even a billionaire, the CEO has about 12M Net Worth.
They weren’t your fucking supplies! They were owned by the fucking billionaires!
It’s a publicly traded company. It is owned by a whole shitload of people. I’m sure I hold a few shares within the mutual funds in my portfolio. If you have any sort of investment portfolio, you very probably do too. But the predominant shareholders are billionaires, not working-class investors.
The CEO is not the owner. He has some shares, sure. But the overwhelming majority of Kimberly-Clark is held by fucking billionaires.
LMAO, liberals be like “you can vote yourself into prosperity and wealth” 🤣
Exactly. The game has no rules, as proven by corrupt, fascist, pedophile billionaires. So if they don’t follow the rules, why should anyone? Why are you hating on that player?
People have been following the rules like good dogs for way too long, while being raped in the ass by corporations and billionaires. Time to show them we have teeth too.
Anything goes, including burning down multi-billion dollar corporations. So that something better can rise from the ashes.
Why can’t I shake the feeling you are a wealthy cunt afraid for yourself?
Corrupt Fascist Pedophile Billionaires didn’t have to cheat to get into power, they got there because 6 Million people who voted for Biden in 2020, after 4 years of Trump rule, did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024, after years of Biden rule.
And tbats exactly what Tankies and Fascists pretending to be Anarchists want: to dissuade people from voting in their interests.
Corrupt fascist pedophile billionaires actually did and do actively cheat to get into power. Any Rothschild wields more power than Trump; and billionaires actively bribe all ‘seats’ of power to make sure your vote does not matter, period. In times where lobbying doesn’t get them enough power, or they’re bored, they just buy their way into office. This isn’t just in the US, it’s everywhere with ‘liberal western democracy.’.
Because ‘democracy’ under capitalism cannot function. It has never functioned. It will never function.[1]
Calling people ‘tankies’ and ‘fascists pretending to be anarchists’ does nothing to change these acts. And it does nothing to work towards the nearly universal goals of the working class; goals you and every ‘tankie’ you criticize share.
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This whole argument hinges on the fact that things never changed when different parties come into power, which is demonstrably false.
As the current admin is a touchy subject for you people, let us take a quick, objective look back at a simpler time.
What was materially different for the average person in the George W. Bush administration vs the Barack Obama administration?
Was it worker’s rights? No, not really, both presidents gorged themselves on union busting. While the minimum wage did get raised once, technically during Obama’s term (though the legislation passed during W’s admin) neither president advocated for this; and both parties actually fought heavily against this increase at the time while only relenting as a way to offset Bill Clinton’s 2008 Financial Crisis.. Don’t get me wrong with that last quip, Republicans had plenty to do with it, but lets not forget Clinton signed it, and democrats largely stamped it.
Was it… quality of life? No, not really. If anything Obama made life worse for the average American. with wealth inequality soaring at the fastest rate in human history, not just American history, until the pandemic at least. I wonder why that period had such a high jump.
Was it… immigrants rights? No. Obama was the deporter-in-chief, even under the best interpretations, whose numbers have yet to be matched and had only one significant rival in world history. Oh but DACA was good right? Oh wait wrong link, sorry. Don’t get me wrong Trump is harsher in this regard… in that white people can now be victims. Nothing Trump has done is new.
How about foreign policy? … Nope. We know the answer to that. Don’t even need links do we. Obama’s legacy of violence showed the world the US does not avoid civilian deaths, in fact we explicitly, wantonly target civilians. Many in the world knew this already, after all exporting violence is what the US is known for outside the west, but Obama made it clear that George W Bush was not a fluke. Republicans were not the source of violence. It was the US itself that was violent.
Gas prices were lower. Sometimes. Under Obama. And food was cheaper. Under Bush. Same amount of insider trading regardless, same corrupt cabinets, same donors to both presidential campaigns, practically the same appointees…
It really does go on. But I’m bored and you probably have other replies expanding on this by now.
As it is a response to the unarguable fact I posted before, I’m not even gonna bother to read this, peace out.
I can hate both the game for having shitty rules, and for the players that are exploiting the shitty rules when it would be so easy to just play respectfully by acknowledging that the gaps in rules cause problems with the structure of the entire game and I should more equally distribute my resources if I don’t want anyone of the other players to start flipping the board over.
The unwritten rule of the game is that the guy who plays fair loses to the one who gets away with cheating. An individual has only so much control over their actions.
Just get a bunch of players together to all agree that cheaters lose their rights to play.
Exactly! And when the cheaters do everything they can to make even that impossible, it makes sense that one of those players would also break the rules to start burning the cheaters houses down.
If this were his house I wouldn’t be berating people for celebrating it, but it’s actually a warehouse full of diapers and toiletries.
Human nature doesn’t allow an idealist fair society without any rule enforcement. We have to collectively make them, and a bunch of arson is not going to accomplish that because we’re always going to want warehouses an we’re always going to want bathroom supplies.
The rich won’t stop killing us if we ask them nicely. All progress has involved threatening the lives or property of the powerful.
No progress has involved that. Ever. All progress has come from legislative reform.
Ah yes, legislative reform that emerges from nothing but the powerful suddenly deciding to be nicer.
In an autocracy like China that would be true, but in the western world they mostly practice Democracy.
On the assumption that lobbying, bribing, gerrymandering, institutionele capture, legal capture and the general disfunction of first past the post systems don’t get in the way.
Lol, you’re one of those screaming “both sides bad” and rejecting any progress has ever been made.
Things demonstrably get better or worse depending on how people vote, better slowly over time, and therefor it is fact that democracy is working.
Civil War?
The US Civil War? TF?
The US Civil War was about the Confederate states attempting to leave the union in order to own black people as slaves.
First of all, thats not what fucking progress looks like. Secondly, the outcome was the violence of the southern state failing to have any lastinf effect towards their ideals.
the french revolution was famously not about porcefully taking power from those in power
The French Revolution was decades of bloodshed which nearly fell into autocracy again, there are countless violent revolutions which have failed in the same vein.
More progress came from the blade of a guillotine than has ever come from legislative reform.
Lol, you think the French Constitution magically drafted itself? That the guillotine got up and walked over to start writing the new rules like a fucked uo Frosty the snowman?
The French aristocracy had no need for a new constitution until they started getting slaughtered wholesale. Without the guillotine, there was no pressing need for “the new rules”. Quite the contrary, “the new rules” were overtly harmful to their aristocratic lifestyle. They accepted “the new rules” because the alternative was worse.
This bro literally thinks the French Aristocracy were coerced into writing their constitution…
I have no words.
Hmm.
French revolution started because bread was expensive.
The Arab spring started because people got mad how one market stall keepper got treated.
Russian revolution if 1905 started when one factory was closed.
Boston tea party happened because of taxation.
Legistlations came months or even years after any of these revolutions
It’s really telling that you think the rise of the USSR was a fitting example on your list, you Tankie scum.
Haha you funny angry man.
If you really try to look. I mean really really put all your mental capacity to work, you can see that there was three. Yes. Three other examples in the list.
The most clever people among us also notices how they all were from different sides of the world and from different cultures.
Oh my. Could it be?! Could it be that, you only see what you want to see and compartmentalize any opinion that differ from your view to nice and cozy, easy to digest boxes? Have you ever tought that you might do that on other parts of your life too?
Someone has never heard of the Ludlow Massacre, I see.
Obviously neither have you.
Maybe you should keep reading: https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/ludlow-massacre-spurred-new-deal-labor-reforms/
My whole point that you missed entirely is that legislative reform is often the result of some kind of violence happening.
Labor Reforms came from public pressure and legislative action, not 1,200 coalminers killing 20 people and lighting a coal mine on fire, 500 getting arrested, and dissolving their own organization due to lack of funds. The organization literally didn’t exist when the reforms happened.
Human society doesn’t exist where humans are priced out of society.
When your bathroom supply warehouse refuses to meet the societal needs of the people you hire to run it, your warehouse is a clear and present danger to the very concept of “society”.
Your exploitative warehouse is able to underbid responsible competitors, drive them out of business. To remain in business against you, they also have to adopt exploitative practices, and put pressure on other warehouses to do the same.
The solution to this downward spiral is surprisingly simple: remove your undue influence from the labor market, and circumstances improve for both your responsible competitors and society. Government can do that better, but arson will work in a pinch.
Heres an idea:
Instead of burning necessary supplies,
Find a better fucking target.
It’s like I’m explaining to edgy teens that its better to talk to a girl than slit their wrists because they’re sad she never notices them.
Here an idea:
Instead of throwing tea in the sea,
Find a better fucking target.
If people are going to resort to illegal methods of effecting needed change, warehouses are among the best targets available. Much lower risk of causing injuries or deaths than commercial or manufacturing sectors. Relatively few workers on site means the economic harm falls predominantly on the targeted owner class, with little spillover on the working class.
My imagination is rather poor; what would you suggest would be a better target?
This might be illegal, but it is NOT a method of effecting needed change. I’m not promoting Arson at all over organizing unions and promoting progressive reform, but if you’re going to burn something down at least target their financials and personal properties.
He did target their financials. He targeted the source of their wealth.
NO THEY DIDN’T THEY BURNT DOWN A WAREHOUSE FULL OF SUPPLIES WHICH BELONGED TO THE COMPANY. MICHAEL HSU IS GETTING PAID THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT AFTER THIS.
Not the third party staffing agency, not a bank, not his office, not his cars, none of that. A giant pile of diapers that people needed, that’s what.