Well hello again everybody! This has been a wonderful past couple of days. I want to give a huge thank you to everybody who participated in my Under New Management post from Thursday. There was a lot of great feedback, and it will go a long way to helping me better understand all of your wants and needs for this community. Yay!
Yes, this will be wordy. Read it anyway. I will try to be concise.
I spent the entirety of Thursday afternoon and evening working through the over 600 reports that existed for the community. There are still a little less than 200 more left to work through. To be fully transparent, I was given the option of simply mass clearing all of the reports so that I could start with a clean slate. Halfway through, it was very tempting to take the powers-that-be (PtB) up on their generous offer. 😅 But, I wanted to see the reports and see what was being reported (and also by whom). Again, this is my way of learning about this community and its members.
The first thing I want to say is this: for the time being, I have decided that @[email protected] is allowed to stay – with conditions. I have reached out privately to them about their past behavior, and they conveyed that they will respect the rules going forward. I have conveyed back to them that their continued use of the community is contingent on their ability to not break the rules going forward (especially with the alteration of comics). With this said, I fully expect this to ruffle quite a few of those proverbial feathers. But, for better or for worse, the decision is made. Please do not report their posts/comments merely because of who they are. If you do report them for anything, do it because it actually breaks the rules (be sure to be specific about what rules).
With this out of the way, I also want to take a moment to welcome the following people to our moderation team:
- @[email protected]
- @[email protected]
- @[email protected]
- @[email protected]
- @[email protected]
- @[email protected]
They have each reached out in some capacity to ask for this job, and I see no reason to not bring them aboard to help out. I expect that they will do their very best to ensure that this community, and its visitors, are treated fairly and with the upmost respect they deserve. Let’s be sure that they get the same in return. Everyone made it a strong point that we are all adults here, so let’s be sure to act like it.
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BAN HATE ARTISTS ALREADY!
While i think Beep is objectively a bad person, i see no reason they can’t post here if they respect the rules. It’s really not that
beepdeep.“I have decided that beep(at)piefed.world is allowed to stay – with conditions. I have reached out privately to them about their past behavior, and they conveyed that they will respect the rules going forward.”
oh cool! i totally trust a poster who posted specifically in bad taste in order to fight with as many people possible to stand by his weird obsessive stance.
i also totally trust the dude that instantly made alt accounts and alt communities just so he could attempt to evade bans and new rules.
I’m so happy to hear he promised this time! that makes such a huge difference!
I don’t trust them either given they explicitly disobeyed rules before (which I’m sure hundreds of people pointed out to them, e.g. about post limits), but I can promise you I’ll be keeping an eye on what they post here. They won’t get the same leeway again, and I think it’s a reasonable olive branch by jerkface given that they are able to post good material here when they stick within the rules – and, in my mind, so that the catalyst of the mod transition doesn’t steal the spotlight as a singular reason for the transition. This isn’t just “/c/comicstrips but beep isn’t here”, and I think that conveys that message while giving beep plenty of rope, so to speak.
We’ll keep them in check, and it won’t be a problem again. Rehabilitation where it’s possible, and I think it’s possible here.
Did you end up removing his posts with the altered comics? Or are they still out there to disseminate his inferior versions across the internet?
And just to be clear, I think not banning beep is an idea with no upside.
i understand.
I was pretty anti-post limits, but after seeing lemmyshitpost today… well. I can understand why they’re in place.
Yeah, several factors converge to make a bunch of daily posts (even well-meaning) a bad idea to allow; among them:
- The threadiverse is small enough that basically anything with even tepid reception shows up on ‘All’. So users who are lukewarm on the community but don’t want 5 million posts per day are incentivized to just block it altogether instead of whack-a-mole problematic users.
- It crowds out posts from other users, propagating a monoculture.
- It incentivizes the poster to value quantity over quality.
- It’s much harder to properly moderate.
- It dilutes discussion around a bunch of posts instead of in-depth commentary around a handful of posts.
- It causes ceaseless arguments that can even dominate the community (hell, even leak out of it) when one or two users get way out-of-hand.
Welcome new mods!
Hold onto your butts.
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Welcome mods! Looking forward to an active mod team, thanks for taking on the challenge!
Kudos, dohpaz, on the call about beep. The ban hammer is an easy out; I think this shows a lot of integrity and a considered approach to a controversial situation.
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But what about beep@lemmynsfw and [email protected]? Will only one of his personalities behave? Can’t wait to find out
Personally I am more concerned with the ones not yet made, as the known ones are already blocked. :-|
Thanks, much appreciated!
Modding a big community is a herculean effort but needed if we want the fediverse to thrive, so thanks for stepping up to the plate!
This was removed?
This was posted (and reported) before the rule change, and I removed it due to it’s non-“family friendly” nature. There were a couple of other posts that I removed for similar reasons. Now, if you would like to repost it with the appropriate NSFW tag, you’re welcome to do so now that the rules officially support this content.
My main point is that family friendly is something you may want but not necessarily the community. The rule wasn’t enforced before.
Tagging is essentially the same as removing and not a compromise in my book.
That being said, I get this is a transition period and you guys have better stuff to do. I also think too many Meta threads at once is a bit annoying. I’m hoping we can have a more thorough discussion with everyone’s opinion in a dedicated thread at a later date, hopefully with examples so we can give a proper opinion.
Thanks for taking on the responsibility in any case!
Tagging is essentially the same as removing and not a compromise in my book.
Come check out Mastodon sometime, where we also tag movie spoilers, politics, mentions of any medical condition, and eye contact.
There’s nothing wrong with eye contact. It makes some people really uncomfortable. So we tag it so that they can filter it.
Imagine if eye contact and NSFW used the same tag, so if you wanted to see one, you also had to browse pictures of dicks.
I’m all for using custom tags in brackets in the post title like [spicy], but that’s not the same as banishing it to the NSFW part of Lemmy.
I’ll admit Lemmy is lagging behind in terms of built in tags. We need an adult tag to differentiate from straight up pornography.
It looksnlike the bottom of that was cut off, where attribution would usually be. I never removed it, but I would say that could be the reason. And maybe no NSFW tag, thats… spicy?
It was for NSFW. I don’t think many of beeps unattributed posts got removed. It’s hard to know since the modlog doesn’t handle images very well and you can’t actually see them from. This was the only comic for which I recognize the name, I can’t say if the other removed comics for NSFW were actually NSFW.
My problem with this is that, yes it is spicy but it isn’t NSFW.
The pg-13 rule was the one most brought up in the last thread. I feel like it’s being sweeped under the rug.
Tagging it NSFW is the same as removing it and a fake compromise imo. I’m guessing almost all users surf this comm with NSFW off. I see NSFW as being strictly pornography and things of that nature, not a comic with a joke alluding to sex, and is more of an instance wide thing.
The rule before was unenforced. I think, seeing as this is the biggest comic community, a minimum would be a thread about it with examples of what would and wouldn’t be allowed. Idk, maybe I’m asking for too much. It’s mainly that we are talking about changes to what type of comic is allowed, which seems major.
I don’t really want this place to turn into happy meal comics over time. Thanks for your response though.
There’s going to be plenty of growing pains. As of right now I will just enforce things that I think are egregious. Most of Beep’s old posts will stay, there was just so many that we all just hit the ‘resolved’ button and moved on. There is no point to bully when everyone knows we will be nose down the microsecond they post anyway.
As far as the NSFW tag goes, I could lean either way but that comic toes the line for me pretty close.
It doesn’t toe the line for instance wide rules, based on what gets posted in meme subs for example. And the instance wide rules was what this community has been going with for more than a while.
How you guys plan to deal with spicy comics is different than how it was dealt with before.
I’m happy there are new moderators. I don’t get why we have to lose a whole category of content though. Feels worse knowing the guy that caused all this, and basically spent a month insulting everyone here is staying but the content is getting censored. What was the whole point? I could block him but there isn’t a way to see the content you guys remove.
I guess we will see. The part about it not showing up in the modlog makes it tad bit more frustrating.
Im not sure where your getting loosing a while category, the community rules state NSFW is more than allowed, just needs to be tagged.
I don’t know enough about the modlog to comment on it beyond my previous statements.
There are bound to be differences between how things worked before, the entire team is new. Not necessarily new to modding, but new for the community. We will do our best to reign the bad actors in, and stay out of the communities way letting this place run well. Hopefully.
Im not sure where your getting loosing a while category, the community rules state NSFW is more than allowed, just needs to be tagged.
Basically, tagging and not allowing it are the same thing since most don’t surf with NSFW, NSFW being mostly for actual porn from what I understand.
It’s been brought up before that tagging something with NSFW is basically sending it into the abyss for this comm. No one sees it. I won’t at least and I don’t think I should have to start surfing porn just to see content I had access to before.
Just to be clear, it is a change and I don’t think that change is wanted overall. I could be wrong which is why I invite further discussion maybe later. Just, deleting old comics with Pixar cartoons feels like a bad start. I can also imagine it getting worse over time since a lot more stuff stuff can toe the new line.
But in any case, happy to see this place with a new mod team!
Ultimately I am happy to be here, I hope that we can all together make this a better com than it was before. Might prod around later to see what others think about the tagging rules.
Personally I think it should be tagged nsfw.
I like the metric I came up with the other day.
If you’d get arrested for showing it to a 16yr old, tag it. If you’d shoot your “creepy uncle” for showing it to your 16yr old kid, tag it.
It’s not that I think a 16yr old isn’t mature enough for this type of material, but it’s a lot different if a much older person shares it with them. When in doubt - tag it.
Thank you for taking on the task. We (mostly) appreciate it.
The first thing I want to say is this: for the time being, I have decided that beep is allowed to stay
That is disappointing to hear.
I think if you follow the rules as they’ve been laid out now, you should be allowed to stick around.
Previously the rule requiring a source or attribution link was not a rule.
While I don’t agree with Beep’s public POV on how website links for the artists are equivalent to an advertisement, it wasn’t against the rules. Just kind of rude.
If they’re willing to follow the rules now, they can stay. It’s that easy.
Also holy sheet what happened to not feeding the trolls? The whole thing was obvious bait and so many people took it
Nice work, DohPaz and folks! I guess it will be interesting to see if the various beeps clean up their act across the other comics /c’s they post at…
Also, I confess a swell of jealousy about getting so many mod volunteers in past days. I haven’t had a single volunteer at my comics place over the years, altho of course it’s smaller (~1.1K users), and more niche than yours. Anyway, thanks for your efforts, here!
Glad to be here. Hope we can keep this place clean and on topic!
beep is allowed to stay
well fuck this community then. Didnt realise mods of a comic community would be ok with a user continuing to use ai slop comics, and strip author attribution.
Well they explicitly said they won’t allow doing that…
Why are you subbed to a comic community if you can’t read?
why are you ok with an obvious troll remaining unbanned?
As long as they stop and don’t break the rules from now on I don’t see why not. I believe they had their fun and learned their lesson. Of course on the first infraction they should be yeeted out
I have a short conversation with beep about their last post. They did the same thing and cut off the attribution. I pointed out the rules and they chose to remove the post themselves.
So maybe they are learning, but I feel yah.
GREAT NEW MODS FIRST THING THEY DO IS REMOVE MY COMMENTS AND LEAVE AWFUL ZIONIST GENOCIDER COMMENTS ALONE.
THE HASBARA RATS HAVE INFILTRATED LEMMY
Have you tried the report button? There were plenty of reports for you, none from you that I saw.
typical zionist rats use brigade reporting to censor what they don’t like.
I leave it to the mods usually. But you apparently act on their reports no questions asked and see no reason to remove their comments.IDK what’s happening lately.
“Allah can choke on a dick just like your mother did.”
Now there’s one comment from a hasbarat to someone else I reported earlier.
Nothing happened, msg the mods to ask WTF they were doing, still they leave it up.I’m always happy to listen to feedback, and change my behaviour when I’m wrong.
I will not be removing comments just because they have been reported, or just because I disagree with them. I will only be removing comments that explicitly break the rules as listed on the sidebar. You are welcome to report any comment you believe should be removed. There is no penalty for incorrectly reporting something if it is done in good faith (i.e. don’t report everything just because I said no penalty).
While not explicitly against rule 1 (Be nice), I believe “zionist rats” could have been phrased as “zionists” or “zionist people” while still making the same point.
“you talk like a fascist” and “you seem like a psycho” is following rule 1 (Be nice)? LOL
I did not say that, and I did not imply it either. I was telling you what you can do to improve your interactions with this community and it’s mods.
I was given moderator privileges a few hours ago. I have not yet seen those comments, and had nothing to do with them.
I suggest taking some time away from this to clear your head before making further comments. It’s hard to argue in good faith while angry.
That other ‘mod’ if you can him that has seen the comments and decided all of that was OK, while ALL of mine got removed.
I will indeed leave it at that since I’m justifiably disgusted.If you want censorship and pro-genocider biased moderation then Reddit or X already exist.
Do not appreciate it here.
Goodbye
EDIT: Oof Lemmy mod tools are poopy, I will find the proper comment in a moment
EDIT 2: Just use the report tool, and stop calling people fascists when they don’t agree with you.
Next time, use the report button. This behavior WILL get you banned. I’ll look into your history to see if I can find this person, but if you don’t start treating people like humans, I will always consider the comment a break of Rule 1.
zionists and genociders are de facto fascists.
I can’t call them that, yet when they use a simple semantic trick and say “You are talking like a fascist” to me or “you start to seem like a psycho” that’s OK?
BTW your last remark “if you don’t start treating people like humans” sounds suspiciously like that same, guy who seems like a real hasbara cunt (see what I did there?) who writes “Talk about humans as if they’re humans”
So is that your alt account or what?
I only have a single account.
The problem is beyond just calling people fascists, you threaten them, use terrible language and treat people poorly in general.
I dont want use the mod powers I was granted, I like this place, and want it to flourish without bad actors. Please tone it down.
you can mod all you want, just not with double standards, you’re biased dude. Plane and simple
There have been at least three different mods who have responded to you. Which one are you calling biased.
More importantly (from the standpoint of moderation tools being pretty elementary to non-existent here on Lemmy), can you link to the individual comments?
My best guess is that the user who you spoke to reported your comments which is why they were all removed.
But with a backlog of over 300 reports when the mods are essentially volunteers, they can’t read the entirety of every conversation in order to find fault with comments that weren’t reported.
So, if the comments were bad enough that you feel they should be removed, please report them.
And stop with the all caps and the “Zionist” stuff. I don’t like genocide and don’t agree with Israel on most things but it’s hard to take you seriously when you sound like you’re raving.
*plain. Also, if you’re not just trolling, you should get offline for a while.
you’ve cherrypicked that (justified) one while ALL my comments got removed.
Here is the postAnd now the removal of said comments is no longer visible in my modlog!
WTF is happening here?To my untrained eye, looks like the person is asking for love not hate. Ther wordage isnt perfect but not thay bad.
OK, you choose to see nothing wrong with that.
I will use the same tricks from now on to avoid your double standards.
and simply say you seem to be an hasbara apologist and you are sounding like a Reddit zionist planted scumbag mod.I don’t even know what half of that means.
They’re going through old posts even to randomly remove comments
You are correct. When I was given mod, there were over 600 reports that needed to be addressed. At the time I removed that post, the rules were not yet changed to allow NSFW content. So I removed it based on the original rules. If you would like to repost it now, you’re more than welcome to do so.
Did you reply to the wrong comment cause I didn’t say anything about reposts just comment removals
When I first opened your link, it looked like modlog (lemmy-ui) was highlighting a post I removed; which is what I was commenting on. When I tried to go back again a second (and third time), it didn’t. It was confusing, and I had to go to bed for work. 😅
Personally only removed comments that vehemently broke the rules, the most obvious rule broken was rule 1. We got through the mod log and likely wont be removing any old posts or comments at this point.
2 of the comments removed were for calling out someone being pro Palestinian genocide and explaining why it was bad what was happening in Gaza. Were those ones you removed cause not good look for who every removed them and not the cause
In the modlog you sent, of the 4 shown that I removed: one had uncensored gore of animals without NSFW tag (A documentary, but nonetheless that needs to be tagged.), one person losing their mind over beep, another telling beep to harm themselves, and another that was charged and another that was mean spirited, and I don’t understand the word, so I played on the safe side.
Edit: The modlog kept going, with more of my stuff in there, but most of these speak for themselves I think.
So one of them already got scrubbed from the mod log, which not a great look either.
Considering this is getting removed, saying what’s actually happening being considered speaking for itself can’t say anything good about the decisions. Of course it’s lemmy world so not at all surprising just disappointed
I’ll bring it up when all the mods finally get together.
Along with the mod log scrubbing?
You know this is what .world moderation is like. They’re the quiet subtle type of Zionism that prunes dissent and leaves up filth.
They’ll totally investigate it or something and after a few weeks do nothing. Maybe a vague promise to think about a change.
IDK how they did it but they have removed the messages that my comments were removed from the modlog!
WTF is going on?Depending on the removal method they can keep it from being on the modlog. It’s terrible
Edit in between posting the mod log and mod saying everything was above board at least 1 more comment being removed got scrubbed so 🤷
Your account is over a year old, you should know .world and its admin/moderation are Zionist by now.
