Yeah, turns out when you give the people what they want to hear, not even actually deliver it, you win. Reagan did it after Carter, Trump did it and it shouldn’t be a surprise. When people are tired and asking for change you can’t come up and say nothing will change. Cause if we should have learned anything its that people will vote for anything promising change if its what they want, even if its bad. Please have some introspection here. I am not mad at The People.
Meanwhile, Pedohitler went with “I’m gonna rape kids, I’m gonna rob money, I’m gonna cut your rights, and deport every non white person of the country, I’m gonna install a paramilitary force to beat you all, and I have a book that’s basically nazism 2.0 (great guy, btw) to start applying from the first day”.
But apparently, the issue is with the lady that wasn’t good enough. The US is an infirm society in which around 60% of the people voting decided that Hitler was better than a imperfect woman.
Thats cool, did Harris win on her platform? Did she sour thr left completely by parading with republicans and saying nothing will change? I’m not saying its better that fucken Trump won. I am saying its obvious why he did.
“I’m not saying it’s better that he won, I’m saying that it’s normal that people voted for him instead than the woman that didn’t want to rape kids, nor rob money, nor cut your rights, nor deport every non white person of the country, nor install a paramilitary force to beat you all, nor install nazism 2.0 through the nazism handbook because she supported Israhell the same way the Pedohitler did”.
More than 60% of the fucking people of that country decided that nazism was better than a woman. But the problem is that she wasn’t good enough. Not that HE was making Hitler a desirable option, not that HE was raping kids… No. It’s that she wasn’t good enough. LOL. LMAO even.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t even live in that shithole.
It’s rich tho, coming to take the moral high ground saying that not voting for any of the candidates was better than having something that wasn’t Hitler with child-rapist traits. Anyone who could and didn’t vote for Harris is as guilty of what’s happening in the world as anyone who voted for Pedohitler.
I didnt say you lived here. I said you were mad and you clearly are. Theres no moral high ground here. Everyone knows all you have to say to win by a landslide is “I will strike down Citizens United and take our massive military budget and cut it in half for healthcare and education” and thats it. But nobody at the helm wanta to say that because they’re greasing their own pockets with how it is now. You can be mad. It doesnt change reality that Harris also fucked that one up mad.
Anyone who could and didn’t vote for Harris is as guilty of what’s happening in the world as anyone who voted for Pedohitler.
That’s it. That’s all. If you didn’t vote for Harris is because you think that she was as good (or bad) as Pedohitler. The rest is basically you making excuses to not face this reality.
I did vote for her you nincompoop I already said it. i wish I voted for PSL at this point.
Edit: actuallt no fuck that. I did what you said is all that mattered and we’re still getting fucked by fascists. Libs are absolutely brain dead if they think this was gonna turn out any other way and I am tired of pretending it was.
Nice false dichotomy there bucko but there are more than two choices. Continue to abdicate your political will into a system that was designed to use it against you.
And this is why fascism was inevitable. Even in a shitty 2 party system there could’ve been more choices, but not even those theoretical options were available with the rich leaning so heavily on the scales.
It’s fine, I understand. You need to justify your choice. It’s tough to realize that by not voting you helped the pedopresident get into power because otherwise you would have voted for someone that was less bad than Hitler.
Enjoy it and please, when November arrive, don’t vote!
I remember when Biden was still the candidate and a ton of people were saying he should drop out of the race in favour of Harris. That sentiment ended in what feels like less than a week.
I wonder if it was the same people calling for him to step down then who are stubbornly attacking her now.
He didn’t drop out until they had effectively prevented any internal challengers by waiting until the primary was over the make the switch to his hand-picked successor.
If they had had an actual primary and not just ignored all the people protest voting ‘uncommitted’ in the joke one that they did have they wouldn’t have botched it as bad as they did. That’s on democratic leadership, not the voters.
Any candidate that had a chance of winning supported it unfortunately. It wasn’t optional. We’d much rather have to be dealing with Harris and her Zionist handlers over it than dimentia don flailing about though. Its a small distinction and no real comfort.
But the humor isn’t lost on me, that the people that did less than nothing to improve the situation, nor attempt to start the revolution. Still continue to pretend to be more moral than the people who understood what was happening and didn’t want things to get worse.
Idk. Maybe if us Americans werent completely checked out we could have rallied behind a third candidate when everyone else was peddling genocide. We can chop it up all day, but on the other side of it I dont see how its wrong to criticize what happened and why it did. People can be mad and we should. But that doesn’t mean it should turn into “IF EVERYONE JUST VOTED THIS WAY WE’D HAVE KEPT THE STATUS QUO REEEEEEEE” because that never reflects reality and is not helpful. Especially when 75% of thr country can’t be bothered. These things matter, campaign plans and actions matter, it sucks that the obvious fuckhead won by saying shit people wanted to hear but thats what happened.
Sure but why stop there. If things were perfect they’d be perfect! Not to mention I think the fact that third parties are not historically viable in national elections are why we’re here and not the solution. They absolutely should be but that’s not the world we live in unfortunately.
Call me utilitarian if you want. But I’m of the mind but if I had the means to take solid action to save a few. It’s more moral than taking a stance virtue signaling and saving none. That’s my praxis. For instance if you were in the region. Down in the Mediterranean and had a small boat that could hold 20 to 100 people. Would you go in and try to sneak out 20 to 100 people at a time saving who you could. Or would that be immoral because you couldn’t save everyone. What was the goal in focused campaigning against Harris, and
I don’t blame or begrudge people for feeling betrayed by Harris and the Democrats. But I genuinely wonder how many knew what the alternative actually was. Either way we need to start getting busy now. Not just for the midterms but positioning decent candidates for the 28 presidential as well. Otherwise the Overton Death March is only going to continue unabated. There are already positioning Harris and Newsom. Who are 100% horrible candidates that will still be better than anything Republicans are going to put forth. Call me misguided but I think Bernie Sanders was really cooking and we should follow his lead. DSA in my Democratic primary it could work out better than you think
I voted for her and watched as she self dunked everything by campaigning in the dumbest way possible. That shit pushed me fully into anarchist beliefs. She should have had that in the bag. And no, I dont think it was any campaigns against her. I think her own campaign stepped on its own dick just fine.
Honestly I’m right there with you. Notice I’m not saying the Democrats are not to blame for any of this. They 100% are. But when Zionist and oligarch media start giving you attention you better double check your messaging. The focusing solely on Harris and not all candidates was an unforced error. That the media gleefully Amplified. The more of us that understand this the better things are going to be in the future.
And welcome to the club. It doesn’t matter who was here first all that matters is that people continue to join.🤜🤛
I don’t blame or begrudge people for feeling betrayed by Harris and the Democrats.
They have been betraying us, it’s more than a feeling. The democrats as a party are not invested in winning and have no principles they run on other than being ‘not trump’ while still being fully on board with war, empire, harsh border controls, and corporate monopolies.
I find the people complaining about ‘both sides’ rhetoric and blaming nonvoters incredibly off-putting because they’re absolving a hostile party of its obvious negligence and preventing any lessons from being learned in the name of smug self-satisfaction.
They’re more interested in scolding voters than reflecting on how the parties own actions led to them losing to a game show host, twice now.
Okay, but that’s a very disingenuous framing of most the people we’re talking about. Especially on the fediverse. I 100% believe that someone somewhere made such claims but that wasn’t the common sentiment. No one was largely telling anyone not to criticize Harris and the Democrats for their stances. Far from. They earned all that and more.
But railing against Harris and the Democrats wasn’t railing against genocide. I don’t care who you voted for or if you didn’t vote. Honestly the best way to fix national government and national elections is to abolish them both. For most people the issue truly was both sides. Because it was about the genocide, not Democrats. And pointing out how the myopic focus on just Harris was not only counterproductive but disastrous.
No one was (generally speaking) telling you not to criticize Harris. Just telling you don’t let yourself be used by the petite bourgeoisie or the zionists. And asking what your plan was. For most people it was jumping without a parachute, and acting surprised when they went splat. Democrats and the people railing against the Democrats specifically both. And the Really tragic part of it is I know many of the people that campaigned against Harris the hardest. Ended up voting for her even as they drove Palestinians and other people into non-voting apathy or voting for Trump.
Okay, but that’s a very disingenuous framing of most the people we’re talking about. Especially on the fediverse. I 100% believe that someone somewhere made such claims but that wasn’t the common sentiment. No one was largely telling anyone not to criticize Harris and the Democrats for their stances. Far from. They earned all that and more.
I am not interested in getting to shitflinging because we agree on most other things, however this itself is kind of disingenuous framing of what I just said; I said:
I find the people complaining about ‘both sides’ rhetoric and blaming nonvoters incredibly off-putting because they’re absolving a hostile party of its obvious negligence and preventing any lessons from being learned in the name of smug self-satisfaction.
I didn’t say that they were saying not to criticize the democrats even, I just said that fixating on blaming voters is serving the end of whitewashing the failures of the democrats and contributing to an atmosphere where they learn nothing.
The downvotes are mad. “I do not support Israel’s genocide in Gaza” was all she had to say for a landslide and she couldn’t even lie about that.
But I keep being told it wasn’t enough people to sway the election?
But it would have caused her to win by a landslide now?
Lol ok.
Yeah, turns out when you give the people what they want to hear, not even actually deliver it, you win. Reagan did it after Carter, Trump did it and it shouldn’t be a surprise. When people are tired and asking for change you can’t come up and say nothing will change. Cause if we should have learned anything its that people will vote for anything promising change if its what they want, even if its bad. Please have some introspection here. I am not mad at The People.
Meanwhile, Pedohitler went with “I’m gonna rape kids, I’m gonna rob money, I’m gonna cut your rights, and deport every non white person of the country, I’m gonna install a paramilitary force to beat you all, and I have a book that’s basically nazism 2.0 (great guy, btw) to start applying from the first day”.
But apparently, the issue is with the lady that wasn’t good enough. The US is an infirm society in which around 60% of the people voting decided that Hitler was better than a imperfect woman.
imagine losing to him. a coughing baby could have won that election but she had to be the guy.
Not my alt but I agreed with them in that thread too
Get out of your fucking bubble, this country is crawling with MAGA racists. Trump got like 75 million votes. Fuck off with this bullshit
Thats cool, did Harris win on her platform? Did she sour thr left completely by parading with republicans and saying nothing will change? I’m not saying its better that fucken Trump won. I am saying its obvious why he did.
“I’m not saying it’s better that he won, I’m saying that it’s normal that people voted for him instead than the woman that didn’t want to rape kids, nor rob money, nor cut your rights, nor deport every non white person of the country, nor install a paramilitary force to beat you all, nor install nazism 2.0 through the nazism handbook because she supported Israhell the same way the Pedohitler did”.
More than 60% of the fucking people of that country decided that nazism was better than a woman. But the problem is that she wasn’t good enough. Not that HE was making Hitler a desirable option, not that HE was raping kids… No. It’s that she wasn’t good enough. LOL. LMAO even.
Look at how mad you are looking back at reality.
Are you not mad?
How can you be named prole and be such a lib?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t even live in that shithole.
It’s rich tho, coming to take the moral high ground saying that not voting for any of the candidates was better than having something that wasn’t Hitler with child-rapist traits. Anyone who could and didn’t vote for Harris is as guilty of what’s happening in the world as anyone who voted for Pedohitler.
I didnt say you lived here. I said you were mad and you clearly are. Theres no moral high ground here. Everyone knows all you have to say to win by a landslide is “I will strike down Citizens United and take our massive military budget and cut it in half for healthcare and education” and thats it. But nobody at the helm wanta to say that because they’re greasing their own pockets with how it is now. You can be mad. It doesnt change reality that Harris also fucked that one up mad.
That’s it. That’s all. If you didn’t vote for Harris is because you think that she was as good (or bad) as Pedohitler. The rest is basically you making excuses to not face this reality.
I did vote for her you nincompoop I already said it. i wish I voted for PSL at this point.
Edit: actuallt no fuck that. I did what you said is all that mattered and we’re still getting fucked by fascists. Libs are absolutely brain dead if they think this was gonna turn out any other way and I am tired of pretending it was.
Nice false dichotomy there bucko but there are more than two choices. Continue to abdicate your political will into a system that was designed to use it against you.
I really wish this were true
And this is why fascism was inevitable. Even in a shitty 2 party system there could’ve been more choices, but not even those theoretical options were available with the rich leaning so heavily on the scales.
You are at best delusional if you think there’s any chance for a third party to emerge victorious in the USA
The third option: the putin asset. I see where you are going. Well, enjoy your pedopresident. I guess it’s better than the alternative
Nice bad faith argument you made there. You don’t see jack shit. No one said it’s “better”.
It’s fine, I understand. You need to justify your choice. It’s tough to realize that by not voting you helped the pedopresident get into power because otherwise you would have voted for someone that was less bad than Hitler.
Enjoy it and please, when November arrive, don’t vote!
Nice blame shifting. This is why no one takes neolibs seriously.
Fair enough. That’s on me, it’s what happens when someone tries to discuss with your kind. Should have known better.
Anyway, enjoy your president! Hope you get some more years of him, since you look so eager to let him rule by not voting!
Thanks for showing how little solidarity you have.
Expected of neolibs like you.
I remember when Biden was still the candidate and a ton of people were saying he should drop out of the race in favour of Harris. That sentiment ended in what feels like less than a week.
I wonder if it was the same people calling for him to step down then who are stubbornly attacking her now.
He didn’t drop out until they had effectively prevented any internal challengers by waiting until the primary was over the make the switch to his hand-picked successor.
If they had had an actual primary and not just ignored all the people protest voting ‘uncommitted’ in the joke one that they did have they wouldn’t have botched it as bad as they did. That’s on democratic leadership, not the voters.
She wasn’t a hand picked successor. She was a leftover campaign promise. She was what’s left.
TBH I was more using that facetiously because it’s what our media tends to call any regime successors in enemy countries, regardless of the accuracy
Any candidate that had a chance of winning supported it unfortunately. It wasn’t optional. We’d much rather have to be dealing with Harris and her Zionist handlers over it than dimentia don flailing about though. Its a small distinction and no real comfort.
But the humor isn’t lost on me, that the people that did less than nothing to improve the situation, nor attempt to start the revolution. Still continue to pretend to be more moral than the people who understood what was happening and didn’t want things to get worse.
Idk. Maybe if us Americans werent completely checked out we could have rallied behind a third candidate when everyone else was peddling genocide. We can chop it up all day, but on the other side of it I dont see how its wrong to criticize what happened and why it did. People can be mad and we should. But that doesn’t mean it should turn into “IF EVERYONE JUST VOTED THIS WAY WE’D HAVE KEPT THE STATUS QUO REEEEEEEE” because that never reflects reality and is not helpful. Especially when 75% of thr country can’t be bothered. These things matter, campaign plans and actions matter, it sucks that the obvious fuckhead won by saying shit people wanted to hear but thats what happened.
Sure but why stop there. If things were perfect they’d be perfect! Not to mention I think the fact that third parties are not historically viable in national elections are why we’re here and not the solution. They absolutely should be but that’s not the world we live in unfortunately.
Call me utilitarian if you want. But I’m of the mind but if I had the means to take solid action to save a few. It’s more moral than taking a stance virtue signaling and saving none. That’s my praxis. For instance if you were in the region. Down in the Mediterranean and had a small boat that could hold 20 to 100 people. Would you go in and try to sneak out 20 to 100 people at a time saving who you could. Or would that be immoral because you couldn’t save everyone. What was the goal in focused campaigning against Harris, and
I don’t blame or begrudge people for feeling betrayed by Harris and the Democrats. But I genuinely wonder how many knew what the alternative actually was. Either way we need to start getting busy now. Not just for the midterms but positioning decent candidates for the 28 presidential as well. Otherwise the Overton Death March is only going to continue unabated. There are already positioning Harris and Newsom. Who are 100% horrible candidates that will still be better than anything Republicans are going to put forth. Call me misguided but I think Bernie Sanders was really cooking and we should follow his lead. DSA in my Democratic primary it could work out better than you think
I voted for her and watched as she self dunked everything by campaigning in the dumbest way possible. That shit pushed me fully into anarchist beliefs. She should have had that in the bag. And no, I dont think it was any campaigns against her. I think her own campaign stepped on its own dick just fine.
Honestly I’m right there with you. Notice I’m not saying the Democrats are not to blame for any of this. They 100% are. But when Zionist and oligarch media start giving you attention you better double check your messaging. The focusing solely on Harris and not all candidates was an unforced error. That the media gleefully Amplified. The more of us that understand this the better things are going to be in the future.
And welcome to the club. It doesn’t matter who was here first all that matters is that people continue to join.🤜🤛
They have been betraying us, it’s more than a feeling. The democrats as a party are not invested in winning and have no principles they run on other than being ‘not trump’ while still being fully on board with war, empire, harsh border controls, and corporate monopolies.
I find the people complaining about ‘both sides’ rhetoric and blaming nonvoters incredibly off-putting because they’re absolving a hostile party of its obvious negligence and preventing any lessons from being learned in the name of smug self-satisfaction.
They’re more interested in scolding voters than reflecting on how the parties own actions led to them losing to a game show host, twice now.
Okay, but that’s a very disingenuous framing of most the people we’re talking about. Especially on the fediverse. I 100% believe that someone somewhere made such claims but that wasn’t the common sentiment. No one was largely telling anyone not to criticize Harris and the Democrats for their stances. Far from. They earned all that and more.
But railing against Harris and the Democrats wasn’t railing against genocide. I don’t care who you voted for or if you didn’t vote. Honestly the best way to fix national government and national elections is to abolish them both. For most people the issue truly was both sides. Because it was about the genocide, not Democrats. And pointing out how the myopic focus on just Harris was not only counterproductive but disastrous.
No one was (generally speaking) telling you not to criticize Harris. Just telling you don’t let yourself be used by the petite bourgeoisie or the zionists. And asking what your plan was. For most people it was jumping without a parachute, and acting surprised when they went splat. Democrats and the people railing against the Democrats specifically both. And the Really tragic part of it is I know many of the people that campaigned against Harris the hardest. Ended up voting for her even as they drove Palestinians and other people into non-voting apathy or voting for Trump.
I am not interested in getting to shitflinging because we agree on most other things, however this itself is kind of disingenuous framing of what I just said; I said:
I didn’t say that they were saying not to criticize the democrats even, I just said that fixating on blaming voters is serving the end of whitewashing the failures of the democrats and contributing to an atmosphere where they learn nothing.
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