Threatening the POPE is EXACTLY what Jesus would Do!
-Republicans who want the Bible to be Law!
Most of those Republicans are some flavor of Protestant, so it tracks
Also they think the Pope is woke
When the Constitution is out of the way, Prosperity Gospel will be the official religion of the United States.
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
Jesus (as written) would likely be very upset about a church that builds enormous cathedrals, hoards gold, has a corrupt “priest class” and has at times waged war.
Another thing to know about is that most of the Supreme Court justices are Catholics
6 of the 9 justices, 5 of them chosen by Republicans. Pretty wild for a country that’s 1/5th Catholic.
Looks like seven of them grew up Catholic, and all of those but Neil Gorsuch still are. Absolutely nuts.
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
The vice president is (or claims to be) catholic.
Neat
There’s still a lot of Catholics in the movement.
The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope, they hated the last Pope as well. They would kill him themself if they could. There are exceptions but by and large the American Catholic Church leadership are Nazis.
The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope,
Even though the current pope is literally one of them. An American Catholic.
Sure, but he’s somewhat progressive shudders
did you just orgasm during a lemmy post?
Don’t kink shame. Some of us get highly aroused by… mechanical keyboards!!!
shudders
He is one of the exceptions yes. The Catholic faithful I do not think are that split for republicans, they might have a majority but it is not overwhelmingly for Republicans as I understand It.
My grandmother, who was a devout Roman Catholic her whole life, even getting awarded for her service to the church, said that the Pope needed to mind his own business when he was criticizing Trump wanting to build the wall in his first term.
I’m glad she died before his second term.
Bullshit. You can’t compare Catholic leadership to MAGAts. They may be pretty conservative but by and large are horrified by this administration.
This is not “both conservatives are the same”
The majority of the Catholic leadership are members of the maga coalition.
You can’t compare Catholic leadership to MAGAts.
Sure we can. Catholic leadership protects those who rape little boys the way MAGAts protect those who rape little girls.
This is making some heavy assumptions about what the average MAGAT knows about Jesus. As far as most of them are concerned, Jesus’ favorite gun would be an AR-15.
For them, the Bible is merely a thick paper tweet to be used to smack anybody who disagrees with them like a cartoon character smacking a dog with the newspaper.
This is making some heavy assumptions about what the average MAGAT knows about Jesus. As far as most of them are concerned, Jesus’ favorite gun would be an AR-15.
Sure - but one thing they also know is that “Catholics aren’t Christian”.
Unironically this. Jesus was not big on religious authorities.
He’d take one look at the Vatican and burn the whole thing down.
So I am an atheist, but the last 2 popes have been pretty nice people, right? The Vatican doesn’t seem obviously corrupt. Nothing at all like the insane blatantly abusive megachurches in the US.
Unfortunately for us, they’ve been even nicer to the pedophiles in their ranks.
Have you seen how gaudy the Vatican is? Jesus was killed right after flipping his shit because there were money changers operating in the temple.
He’d be livid to find out how the church used his sacrifice for humanity to get wealthy.
But I kinda like pretty and big churches. E.g. Sagrada Família is amazing - that was built for all of us to enjoy, not just the church narrowly.
They feel different to me than a megachurch pastor buying his second personal jet.
I have toured the vatican, expecting opulence. I was somewhat disappointed that it wasn’t wealthy feeling. They have purposely made the vatican appear humble, despite their wealth on paper.
The vatican needs to brun for other reasons, but is in hot water in this case because they oppose zionist mandated supremacist genocide of innocents.
Jesus would support the pope’s actions in this one case.
I’ll be honest, this pope is not gonna be the one he makes his primary target in this day and age
Jesus was not big on religious authorities.
For a lot of good reasons.
The Sanhedrin (Jewish court organized by Rome to allow Jewish self governance on certain issues) convicted Jesus of blasphemy (based on nothing more than his words) and recommended his execution to the roman governor, who rubber stamped it. They violated a bunch of their own rules to do this, including holding a secret council at night, and on a holiday. It was all complete horseshit done by some politically connected crybullies.So yeah, Jesus was not big on religious authorities of the day, as they were no better than the authorities in the same positions now. Nor has the dynamic changed much, or the players. We’re still doing nothing about it though. Religious “authorities” – especially zionists–are all bastards who should be ignored in any civilized society. The core issue here is that they had any authority at all, and that Pontius Pilate was incompetent and didnt do his job which was to order the sanhedrin to sit the eff down and shut the eff up, and follow the existing Roman civil laws-- not their own stupid laws.
TLDR: Historic lesson here is that when religious leaders get mad and demand sectarian violence, slap them till they sit the eff own, no exceptions.
Read this is Bill Donahue’s voice from the South Park Easter episode.
On the matter VP Vance had this to say “I think it’s always a bad idea to offer an opinion on stories that are unconfirmed and uncorroborated, so I’m not going to do that.”
this is coming from the “Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!” guy
Nothing reasonable about pedophile protecting fascist JD Vance. Let’s not allow them to position him as a viable leader.
That can apply to ALL of them. In one way or another, they are depraved, corrupt, ignorant, stupid, traitors, or YES. You could make a drinking game that is paired with Cards Against Humanity, and everyone at the table will end up dead.
You must be to type of person who beleives B. HUSSEIN Obama was born in the US. /s
this is coming from the “Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!” guy
Also the “If I have to create stories that’s what I’ll do.” (About this exact thing) Guy.
What a chode.
If I was the pope and meeting JD the couch fucker was in the agenda, I’d also decline. Considering what happened to the previous pope who met that turd with makeup.
Also, unless the meeting is on your own turf, how do you diplomatically refuse to sit on a couch that was there with JD before you got there? I don’t think pope training covers this.
Especially in the Oval Office: chances are non-zero that any seat you might take in the room has had either diaper breach, Crown Prince Couchfucker after hours, or both.
A guy who has to dress in white for the job has to think about these things, because if he sits on the wrong couch in the white robe, when he stands up again now it’s HIS story. So in the end it’s gotta be either “I’ll just stand, thanks,” or like you said, not go at all.
I dunno I think theres a vague quiet dignity to a politician who dresses like a clown or a heavily makeupped whore (no offense intended to legit prostitutes). All he needs now is a “I dont care, do you” coat to go full whore and I will give him a full dignity/self-awareness point and smallest ounce of respect.
So they threatened the pope of the catholic church with assassination… Thats some Israeli level shit. Is Trump even the president at this point?
Vance already took out the last pope.
let’s not forget Vance already killed the last pope by extreme cringe
Completely understandable if you lose the will to live after meeting Vance
The Pope met Vance and realized that there’s no God, and died of a broken heart
Well he did catch JD and the papal couch in a comprising position. Its enough to fracture even the strongest hearts.
The last pope died shortly after meeting with Vance. Sure he had pneumonia (but felt well enough to take a meeting), but Vance could conceivably have had something on his hand that interacted with the popes diminished health. Its pure speculation of course, and no one can prove it either way and the timing is suspect, when you see them now threatening the current pope with assassination. Assassination just comes to their mind huh?
Vance doesn’t exactly look like the kind of guy who prioritizes washing his hands after a visit to the bathroom …or couch. Who knows what he had growing under those fingernails.
“Trump deports Pope” is on my bingo card.
the Pope is American but still seems like a playable option
So when do prominent american catholics start getting excommunicated?
This is a huge story and I’m trying to find another source that also claims threats were made.
I’ve seen other references elsewhere. Any quotes on what was said seem to reference the Free Press article. But the other sources are still reporting that there was a meeting, and the Vatican didn’t like what they heard,whatever it was.
According to Vatican and U.S. officials who were briefed on the meeting and spoke to the publication, the Pentagon criticized the Pope’s statements in January, interpreting them as hostile attacks on Trump’s policies.
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A Vatican official speaking to The Free Press said the Pope has no plans to visit the U.S. while Trump is in office.
As things got heated, Colby reportedly lectured Cardinal Pierre on the military power of the U.S. and told him that the Catholic Church must pick a side, according to Hale, and mentioned the “Avignon papacy.”
All information about the meeting was obtained by Ferraresi from Vatican and U.S. officials briefed on the Pentagon meeting. What Could Such a Reference Indicate?
There is no doubt that a reference to the “Avignon papacy” by a Pentagon official was meant to make the Vatican feel uneasy about crossing the Trump administration.
Some have suggested that the reference of this chapter of medieval history might signal the Trump administration’s intention to trigger a new schism, while others think it would suggest its willingness to use military force against the Holy See. Ferraresi, however, said that interpreting it as a military threat is “just absurd.”
According to Mike Young, author of a newsletter on civic accountability, the mention of the “Avignon papacy” was a reference to “an implicit model for what happens to religious institutions that oppose state power.”
In a post on X, he wrote: “That’s not a slip of the tongue. That’s a studied historical reference deployed deliberately in a room with the Pope’s senior diplomat. The message was not subtle.”
Does threatening The Pope and starting a war with Iran disqualify you from retaining a gold plastic FIFA Peace Prize?
The fifa peace prize used to mean something
Now it’s just another piece of silverware sold to corrupt interests
Kinda funny considering this pope is an American.
I’m almost surprised he’s no an expat at this point.
He literally is, what do you mean?
To add:
An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.
Pope: US Born -> Lives in Popelandia -> Expat
They fucking hate when you call them immigrants though
Or LBH
It would be ironic if Trump does to the Vatican what he did to Venezuela, even after the US Catholic Bishops’ drive toward outlawing Abortion might have been the decisive factor giving Trump enough support to win both elections.
From what I’ve seen, there seems to be a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world. If the Republicans continue to antagonize the Pope, that would probably work in their favor.
You’re not wrong, but that’s not the way Catholicism works. People overplay the “infallibility” angle, but the bishops are supposed to listen to the Pope, that’s the whole point.
The logical end result of “a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world.” is either that the US bishops get in line, or we have a new Schism.
And I think this Pope knows it. The original Pope Leo is literally the Patron Saint of “defending against heresy”. He chose that name for a reason.
There’s the middle ground of enough bishops get fired to bring the rest inline.
You’re totally right about the fact that they’re supposed to follow the Pope, but they’re also throwing references to the Avignon Papacy.
It could also very well be a schism where you have the American cardinals declare the Pope is from their own ranks backed by the State while another is in Rome. We’ve already seen a superpower do this with Buddhism.
Maybe that’s Trump’s retirement gig, he’ll leave the Presidency and become Pope Donald the Lecherous
Too old and useless to go full Alexander VI, but yeah.
“Did u even say thank you, pope?” -Vance
We need some Templars.
We’re gonna get a schism and the Church of America because Trump is basically Henry VIII but somehow even more disgusting
Hate to break it to you, but we already have this. It’s known as Evangelicalism.
(And yes, I know that there are decent folks in the Evangelical world; I’ve met them. But, overall, the movement has become a cesspit of fascist-aligned nationalistic heresy that doesn’t even really seem to believe in the person at the center of Christianity. Also, the great irony of your example is that the American branch of Henry VIII’s church–the Episcopal Church–is now considered too woke to be Christian by these people.)
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Episcopals
Still, I think every schism probably had people saying “But we already have [religion]” before they went down
Whether or not there are decent evangelicals was kinda beside my point (I was just imagining historical parallels), but I agree and it’s definitely worth repeating
Hegseth’s tattoos suggest he thinks of himself as a crusader.
I’m sure the historical Templars would’ve been so happy about somebody trying to copycat their style.
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Nazis also had a problem with the Vatican during War World Two, What could possibly be the common reason now?
Someone in the meeting then reportedly mentioned the Avignon Papacy to Pierre. This refers to a 14th century attack on the Vatican by the French king, in which Pope Boniface VIII was murdered by assassins and the Vatican was forced to relocate to Avignon where it could be controlled by the French crown for the next 67 years.
Sounds like they’re threatening to do to the pope what they did to Maduro.
