• BilboBargains@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Who knows if this is even true and that’s a huge caveat but assuming it is, horrible time to be doing a protest. Everybody needs to pull together to defeat the Great Satan. The domestic problems can wait.

    • Nycifer@piefed.social
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      22 hours ago

      Now now, this is not the time to be spitting that language on Iran. Remember, we’re supposed to be sympathetic to them because America chose to war with them. /s

      This timeline is garbage in terms of world events.

        • Basic Glitch@sh.itjust.works
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          17 hours ago

          Exactly. The Trump administration and Israel allegedly took out the majority of the Iranian government’s leadership (and killed a lot of innocent people in order to do so), yet somehow the result is just that more innocent people are dying.

          I’m just going to come right out and say it. What’s the deal with this war?

          Sorry to ask such a provocative question. Definitely don’t want to wind up on some watch list for criticizing the regime administration.

          Also, we are finally just calling it a war right? I know Netenyahu is, but wasn’t sure which double speak the U.S. is officially using? Are we still supposed to be pretending it’s an “intervention” and therefore not illegal?

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          18 hours ago

          Well imagine you’re in Iran: you don’t have weapons, you don’t have any chance to organize… What is going to stop the oppression?

          Sad to say but something like this really is the only chance they have

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        20 hours ago

        How stupid do you need to be to not be able to condemn a clearly stupid and horrible war but not think that that automatically makes the victim country a “good” country

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          19 hours ago

          As an American I hope to also not be judged by the actions of my country’s fascist regime

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          16 hours ago

          Unfortunately very stupid. Also unfortunately, a bar many people seem to surpass, like the above commenter and a few others in the comments.

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      22 hours ago

      Tbf the guy was also involved in murdering police officers and was helping Israel and the US.

      Iran isn’t great and I’m against the death penalty, but they may have had their reasons here.

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          22 hours ago

          Yeah and the US has murdered a lot of people in ICE detention.

          I’d be wary of those numbers. Israel and the US have a vested interest in drumming up as much support as possible for their war against Iran.

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            22 hours ago

            agreed. when folks come with “yeah but iran murders protestors” and the response is “so does the US” and people dismiss that because “iran murdered thousands…” I like to ask people for the top number they are ok with. Is 2 ok? But 1000 bad? Ok so what about 20? (hinting along that the number should be zero.)

          • Allah@piefed.worldOP
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            22 hours ago

            Child killer iran specifically targets young people many times even blinding them by using buck shots they did it in 2009, they did it in 2015-2017 and now they did it again from 2022 to present

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              22 hours ago

              And the US just bombed a school and killed many children as well.

              Israel specializes in child killing.

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                  21 hours ago

                  Places with high infant and child mortality tend to have higher birth rates specifically because people count on not all of their children surviving to adulthood.

                  Stop spreading FUD about genocide, it’s disgusting.

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        Ah yes the valiant and honorable Iranian police

        Briefly interrupted from checks notes hanging the gays

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        22 hours ago

        Of course they had their reasons, he was protesting their tyrannical dictatorship and power. It’s not a just reason, but it’s a reason.

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            22 hours ago

            How is that relevant? This isn’t a zero sum game; it’s possible to be critical of both.

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              22 hours ago

              I’m not condoning Iran’s actions here. Let’s not sit around and help manufacture consent for this war either.

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                21 hours ago

                Your response was, “but Israel would do it too.” That’s irrelevant to the conversation about the Iranian government killing protesters.

                You can condemn the Iranian government for doing bad things and also be against the Israel and US invasion. They’re not mutually exclusive. Just like you can condemn the actions of the state of Israel without being antisemitic.

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        22 hours ago

        Murdering the ayatollah’s cops isn’t a bad thing. Totalitarian regimes and the people who uphold those regimes are fair game imo. Fuck the us and isreal but if was fighting for freedom I’d take any help I could get.

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          19 hours ago

          So to fight a brutal regime you are going to support a state who want to replicate the gaza genocide in Iran? So dumb

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                I’ll answer it in terms of the people of Rojava fighting ISIS. They accepted American support even though they are against governments. They fought with air support against an evil totalitarian system and totally destroyed that system. Is the US a good actor? No. But if I was in the YPG I’d want that air support. And I’ve read many accounts of YPG and YPJ soldiers who state that.

                I don’t know anything about Iranians because it is locked down there. But I assume the people fighting that government are making similar calculations.

                It is so easy for a person living a comfortable western life to judge the people fighting these wars for freedom. I’m not going to sit in judgement because they weren’t pure enough and I greatly dislike those who do.

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                  The usa did not invoke genocidal statements unlike Israel during the Iraq war. So answer the question how genociding Iran will save Iranians?

                  I am pretty sure the parent of those schools girls murdered by the usa in the first day are saying thank you the usa, yeah it terrible that our kids dies but it is a risk we chose to take

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          19 hours ago

          That is the issue. Israel admitted to have agents on the ground. Now it is so easy for the regime to claim everybody could be an agent

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    21 hours ago

    Isn’t ICE doing essentially the same thing here in the USA? Maybe Iran should bomb and liberate us?

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      No, it is not.

      Sorry, fuck ice and all, but don’t make shit up. There have been extremely preventative deadly incidents, but I’ve never seen an ice agent walk out of a building with a prisoner, and shoot them in the head right there.

      No need to make shit up

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        13 hours ago

        but I’ve never seen an ice agent walk out of a building with a prisoner, and shoot them in the head right there.

        Alex peretti ? It literally happened two months ago when he was executed in the streets.

        Unless you want to be technical and say “uh well ackshawly he wasn’t a prisoner and didn’t come out of a building”.

      • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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        17 hours ago

        People are dying in concentration camps without access to healthcare, let alone those ICE are just shooting in the streets. No need to push white supremacist appoligia

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        You’re absolutely right, ICE doesn’t even bother putting up a “trial” and torturing the suspect for a confession for murder, they just execute you in the street without even an illusion of due process, and they may call you a fucking bitch after.

        Lick some boots.

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        You are wrong. They execute them without cause, warrant, or trial. On the street.

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      Accused of murdering a security officer. No trial, and such accusations are often used by tyrannical regimes to justify political killings.

      “Good riddance?” Hardly. I hope you’re not a supporter of the Iranian government. Because that makes you an enemy of its people.

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        He had a trial and was found guilty. There is plenty of footage of rioters killing security officers. More than 200 were killed. It is sheer delusion to claim these are all sham trials.