Factory farming is the problem, not animal husbandry. If the whole world went vegan, do you think the vegetables we eat would not be altered to better serve yield rather than quality? Do you think pesticides would not be used in staggering levels? Do you think vegetables aren’t alive so it’s okay to eat them? If it doesn’t have a face, it’s cool to eat? Life is sustained by consuming other life, the world over. I agree that industrial farming is disgusting and cruel, but not just to animals.
Not to the levels you can expect if it is all industrialized. You are correct though. A strawberry from 50 years ago tastes a million times better than the monstrosities we buy today as a quick example.
Trust me, the more explorations I do on the nature of consciousness, the more I wrestle with all of that.
I don’t believe that it is inherently wrong to kill in order to eat. But as a species we don’t. Which isn’t to say there aren’t members of our species who very much do still need to kill to eat.
But I don’t need to kill to eat, and I’ve outsourced that killing so it feels like more of an abstraction than it is. I can at the very least acknowledge this.
Which I think is almost worse… think about concentration/extermination camps (which I think our animal industry is basically)
And it’s perfectly healthy to be vegan (maybe even more healthy at this point when done right, than meat consumption).
My main reason though for that is less moral than just wanting to be less wasteful, i.e. meat is just inefficient. I predict that we at some point will move past meat consumption, it’s just not necessary, even when considering taste…
I’m not even sure about plants not having something similar as a nervous system. They live on different timescale, but it’s impressive what e.g. Trees in forests are capable of (with a little help of funghi)
The smell of cut grass is the grass warning other grass that doom is upon them. Plants communicate in ways we can’t understand in the same way as they don’t make noise. They don’t like being harvested anymore than an animal does.
Factory farming is the problem, not animal husbandry. If the whole world went vegan, do you think the vegetables we eat would not be altered to better serve yield rather than quality? Do you think pesticides would not be used in staggering levels? Do you think vegetables aren’t alive so it’s okay to eat them? If it doesn’t have a face, it’s cool to eat? Life is sustained by consuming other life, the world over. I agree that industrial farming is disgusting and cruel, but not just to animals.
Farming is already optimized for yield.
Not to the levels you can expect if it is all industrialized. You are correct though. A strawberry from 50 years ago tastes a million times better than the monstrosities we buy today as a quick example.
Trust me, the more explorations I do on the nature of consciousness, the more I wrestle with all of that.
I don’t believe that it is inherently wrong to kill in order to eat. But as a species we don’t. Which isn’t to say there aren’t members of our species who very much do still need to kill to eat.
But I don’t need to kill to eat, and I’ve outsourced that killing so it feels like more of an abstraction than it is. I can at the very least acknowledge this.
Which I think is almost worse… think about concentration/extermination camps (which I think our animal industry is basically)
And it’s perfectly healthy to be vegan (maybe even more healthy at this point when done right, than meat consumption).
My main reason though for that is less moral than just wanting to be less wasteful, i.e. meat is just inefficient. I predict that we at some point will move past meat consumption, it’s just not necessary, even when considering taste…
Plants don’t have nervous systems, which appear to be what enables suffering
Did you mean to say plants instead of animals, or…?
Yep, sure did. Thanks for the correction
I’m not even sure about plants not having something similar as a nervous system. They live on different timescale, but it’s impressive what e.g. Trees in forests are capable of (with a little help of funghi)
The smell of cut grass is the grass warning other grass that doom is upon them. Plants communicate in ways we can’t understand in the same way as they don’t make noise. They don’t like being harvested anymore than an animal does.
And how do you suppose that warning response leads to qualia?
Yes?!
The band?