Gotta stop confusing CCP supporters for leftists
Of course, but I didn’t thought there were so many of them here.
They’re all over hexbear and lemmygrad
Omg drama!!!
Did you see that lemmy.world has re-federated with hexbear and lemmygrad again?
They haven’t though? I just checked the list of blocked instances and they are both still there.
@[email protected] is correct, they’re not federated. Hexbear just has multiple irrelevant urls on the allow list. No clue why you thought lemmygrad was on their allow list, though.
Who in their right mind would do that? Oh, right, the Lemmy.world guys are fucking morons. They also blocked [email protected] a few months ago, for no real reason.
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avoid lemmy.ml, lemmygrad and hexbear
Which of the two?
Gotta stop pretending “left” and “right” are useful labels to apply to politics too.
They are useful, but as any other category they can be instrumentalized.
They aren’t useless, but they are pretty broad strokes that will always have a use as long as we’re talking about any de facto two party states (e.g. those with FPTP voting systems).
It’s also worth remembering that the population of one country’s idea of left wing politicians might actually end up being right wing elsewhere (for instance, people in the US saying their democratic party are lefty when in most of Europe they would be considered center-right or just plain right-wing).
That’s not what makes the terms useful.
US Democrats aren’t left and the term is still useful in European politics.
I’m not really saying what makes them useful, that’s a long list. I was more going for saying they’re not useless, but are potentially pretty ambiguous without additional context due to how people use them.
Please elaborate how “equality” and “hierarchy” based policies aren’t useful labels for politics anymore.
I’ve always liked a 2 axis spectrum. Social ownership/ private ownership on one axis. Authoritarian / libertarian on the other.
c/iamverysmart
You’re right
The current situation is certainly making that clear.
Especially “horseshoe” politics. Leftist just means centrist.
Horseshoe theory is basically regarded as nonsense by anyone that knows about politics.
It’s pretty much only parroted as alt-right propaganda these days
According to the political compass, authoritarians are up-ists.
CCP supporters = wumao
The irony is that the only Lemmy instances blocked in China are the tanky ones.
This comment doesnt make sense. I think its time for you guys to brush up on the difference between leftist and liberal left. CCP and leftist have the same agenda.
China is a corporatist authoritarian state. Basically late stage capitalism with a bunch of steps skipped. Corporations married to the government. Where the right wing in America is headed.
Being new to Lemmy I’m very taken back by the amount of communist supporters everywhere. Where my capitalist bros at?
Lemmy is a community hosted system, and a lot of the user base came here after leaving other platforms (mostly reddit) because of the owners making it worse and worse trying to copy other platforms like tiktok.
And you’re wondering why everyone here has problems with capitalism.
That’s not even mentioning the other huge problems with capitalism.
Tankies were here before the reddit exodus. They had their own mini exodus a whole back
What?
FOSS is great, I like the idea of people from all over the world contributing towards software that benefits the user rather than the creator.
I fail to see how that equates to “communism good” though. That’s a huge leap in thinking. Really weird when surely most people on here live and benefit from capitalist societies.
I fail to see how that equates to “communism good” though.
The problem is that very few people make the decisions that impact everyone on the platform, which ends up meaning “capitalism bad”. Fixing that problem with a system that’s basically owned by users is sort of like making the system communist.
surely most people on here live and benefit from capitalist societies.
Sure, they live in capitalist societies, but do they honestly benefit from it being capitalist more than they would from it being communist or socialist? Are they really better off in a system that inherently increases inequality rather than decreasing it?
“you say capitalism but yet you live under capitalism, checkmate” doesn’t really work, because you don’t just get to choose the economic system you live in
Sure, capitalism has brought significant improvements to quality of life, but given that the systems that preceded it were largely feudalism and subsistence farming, that’s not really a high bar.
And it certainly doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t continue to develop economic and social systems that are even more equitable.
You’re not even federated with the tanky instances…
I give you a hint: lemmy is a decentralized, non commercial platform. The cap*talists are still on r*ddit
The captalists are still on rddit
Not all of us.
I’ve put some thought into how to respond to this but I just can’t get past “capitalism bros” so I’ll just say this, you can criticize the current market economy system most of the west has without being a full on communist. And those that are content with capitalism aren’t going to go out of their way to be a “capitalism bro”. So of course dissenting voices to the current status quo are going to be amplified here. Try to learn from others perspectives instead of seeking validation
I meant that light heatedly but I see how that could come across as an immature comment. I guess where I’m coming from and failed to articulate in a constructive way is that I’m surprised there’s so much support for communism when likely most of the people on here live in capitalist societies that though have issues still allow them enough freedom to make those statements without fear of punishment.
They’re on exploding-heads.
There is no “lemmy”, every instance is unique. Just don’t waste your time with the fascist instances
There is a lemmyverse, or threadiverse if you prefer
Or, y’know, fediverse. The original term.
They’re not the same, threadiverse refers to the reddit-like part of the fediverse (lemmy and kbin for now) and there’s definite social barriers between it and other parts of the fediverse.
Underverse
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Do you have any recommendations on finding more centrist lemmy instances? Because there is an extreme left and right which seems clear amongst quite a few instances and I don’t want to be a part of any of them.
lemmy.ca seems nice.
I’ve never seen a right wing instance. I guess they are not federated with Lemmy.world
That appears to be what’s happening. I think at this point I should probably set up my own instance to federate multiple sources and not be stuck with one specific content filter. Not right-wing at all (truthsocial already contains most of those… people, hard pass), just more a mix of everything.
Centrist views are shunned by the internet at large. Both sides hate us.
Because a large number of people on boards like Reddit or Twitter who call themselves centrists use “I’m not a republican” as some way to excuse bigoted views on race, LGBT issues, etc. I suppose the opposite may be true if you’re in a right-leaning place and have left-leaning views, although I wouldn’t know.
While that might not be the view of centrists in general, that’s the perception of the “centrist” on the internet, and why people generally don’t like them.
OP link us to the comment where you merely mentioned Tiananmen square and got banned for it
Further down, but it seems it was more about mocking the president and saying that China and Russia were dictatorships. Maybe…
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to frigging hotels and summer camps
In Russia. Believe whatever propaganda you want, no matter how you spin it, no matter how well treated the children actually are, it’s still a war crime, it’s still stealing children. The warzone only exists in the first place because of Putins invasion, and it could end tomorrow if he wanted.
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Bullshit. Russia is invading Ukraine, there is ZERO justification for that, NONE. If they want to keep Ukrainian children safe, they need to stop invading their country, not kidnap them from their families and forcefully immigrate them to Russia.
Russia can stop invading Ukraine any time they want. Ukrainians will never stop trying to defend their country. Russia, and Putin specifically, is the one at fault for every single life lost in this war. The fucking gall you have to victim blame Ukraine when they are literally fighting a defensive war against an invader is insane.
A war he started for no legitimate reason. You don’t get to take credit for saving people from a tragedy you intentionally caused.
Unless you’re a cartoon villain with a redemption arc.
He is keeping Ukraine a fucking warzone.
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Lol fucking wake up and stop drinking Russian kool aid.
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He’s a dictator, everything Russia does is his idea
Russians? Last people Ratin would ask are russians. He just wants to stay in power, that’s it, he doesn’t care about russians or “keeping Ukraine neutral”.
Why doesn’t he give them back to ukraine then? or at least an international third party?
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Looking at the modlog (which is public info, you just have to log on to the web ui and scroll down to the bottom).
3 days ago mod Banned
@[email protected] from the community World [email protected] reason: Racism expires: in 27 days
Didn’t know that racism can expire.
I for one cannot wait for racism to expire.
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It probably won’t, but everyone needs an opportunity to learn. :)
Does it provide a link to the comment or its content? I get why it might not but I’m curious…
In this case, it does not. But if the comment was removed, there wouldn’t be anything to link to anyway.
When a mod bans a user, there’s a checkbox to remove content automatically, which makes sense, if it’s bad enough to merit a ban, there’s no way the comment stays.
If the comment itself were simply removed, you would see a copy paste of it in the modlog.
if it’s bad enough to merit a ban, there’s no way the comment stays.
If you can’t be a good example, you can still be a dire warning.
Yeah, I had a feeling it was the dot ML domain…
If you’re unhappy with the moderation on a given community, make your own competing community, with your own moderation policies. If more people feel strongly about it and agree with your views over the original, they can come to your community instead. There is no overarching ‘Lemmy’ to ban you; instances are all separate. That’s the beauty of Lemmy.
This thread is like half hexbears. I envy all y’all other instances that have thankfully defederated from those nuts.
Our instance (Blahaj) was defederated for awhile but for some reason we’re federated again
And the admin has been silent on the matter since it was pointed out
It’s really annoying seeing their bullshit all over the place again
Honestly, blahaj also seems to have a lot of deranged people. A lot of great people too, but with my instance defederating from Hexbear and lemmygrad, when I see those kinda of comments it’s usually blahaj.
They aren’t as bad though of course. It’s bearable.
They balance out the Lemmy world willies
I kind of regret making my account so early on the mainline instance, rather than on mander, beehaws, or elsewhere, but I still manage to stay relatively far away from the madness by just keeping subscribed to the right communities.
It’s why I went back to the lemmy.world account and stopped using lemmings.world
The uptimes are better on lemmings but lemmy.world has a better experience since there’s no Hexbear or Lemmygrad.
I had to leave Lemmy.one because of them. They straight up just harass on this platform.
No matter how left you are, there’s someone lefter.
And they think you’re a Nazi.
There’s just no talking to them, they will actively search for something you said to be mad about.
You know the modlog is public right?
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Fucking tankies
You get a 28day ban for parroting a nazi meme, I got a permanent ban from all of lemmyworld for saying “anticommunism = profascism”
“anticommunism = profascism” is probably the dumbest thing I’ve seen today, but you shouldn’t be banned for stupid takes
Anti-communism is absolutely a dogwhistle that fascists use, generally when naming organizations or movements. See “Rock Against Communism” etc.
This isn’t universally the case though
Name a time a communist country was overthrown that didn’t involve liberals organizing fascists to do their dirty work for them.
Name a single time.
are you saying every communist state that has fallen, has fallen to fascism?
They’re the type that believes everyone but Trotsky and Marx is a nazi, don’t bother taking them seriously.
I was just confused on why they implied communism always becomes fascism
Well if you’re serious:
Name a time a communist country was overthrown that didn’t involve liberals organizing fascists to do their dirty work for them.
Name a single time.
He’s talking about the US gov (Liberals), backing coups by not actual nazis but simply people who don’t like communism (locals who support capitalism.) It’s just flavour he puts on the world to make his anger sandwich more tasty.
By flavor, you just mean lying?
The US gov isnt liberal, even by the definition tankies use. And not liking communism isnt fascism.
Not a dude and can you name an example where the US didn’t fund any fascists and a communist country was overthrown?
No, but all times a communist country has been overthrown fascists were used by liberals in order to facilitate that.
Can you name a single instance where that is untrue? Just one?
Turns out we’re just the leftist equivalent to Truth Social
Different spaces of the fediverse are for sure
Especially Hexbear
That place is a toxic cesspool of genocide apologia as long as the genocide was done by a fascist that pays lip service to communism.
They are just on the other side of the propaganda coin and are believing different lies than we do. Hexbears often present with an obnoxious attitude, so I understand why you are annoyed by them.
I had arguments with idiots from “innocuous” instances that think the genocide in Gaza is not a genocide because not enough people have died so far. So there’s idiots everywhere.
All flavors of tribalism are the same. That core conservative zeal to say whatever promotes the ingroup and condemns the outgroup seems innate to the human brain. Reasoned argument is a learned behavior - and so is faking it.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
I wish ledditors would stop making me trot out respected Jewish holocaust historian saying “for the love of God, equating fascists and communists is holocaust trivialization and has been used to prosecute Jewish survivors of the holocaust”
Implying fascist dictatorships were actually communist.
See, you could read the article instead of doing the thing described in the article as holocaust trivialization
Just because millions of people aren’t being systematically executed specifically based on race doesn’t make it not a genocide, and just because someone isn’t literally the single most racist person ever to walk the earth doesn’t make them not a fascist
Read the damn article
I’m reading it and I’m still not seeing the relevance. Nowhere did the person you’re replying to compare anything to the Holocaust.
They are left to the fascism, that they equate everyone who doesn’t agree with them, in a very special way - both are ultra right, but tankies are on the left of a spectrum orthogonal to the one the rest of us usually employ.
God I wish. That would be fucking awesome instead we have to fight people on reality because everyone’s propagandized to shit.
So you want to be the leftist equivalent of a nutjob conspiracy echo chamber? Weird.
Honestly I just want a place where you can have a reasonable expectation that not every 3rd person you interact with is some kind of fascist. It’s really not fun to constantly have to deal with the same nazi-sourced conspiracies and libshit every other platform is infested with, nor do I want to interact with people who think geopolitics is football.
Yeah happened to me as well. Got banned for openly criticizing Chinas form of government. Winnie Pooh doesn‘t like that.
Lemmy is developed by tankies who deny anything bad china has ever done.
kbin isn’t ;)
It is open source though, which gives people the option to use the product without any connection to the original people that developed it
Op, you’re talking about lemmygrad, right?
Right?
Now… When you say “mentioning”…?
