Our government seems to have forgotten, them holding people accountable on our behalf is their end of the social contract. Our end of the social contract is to pay taxes, abide by the law, and allow the legal system to resolve our conflicts instead of vigilante justice.
If they won’t hold people to account on our behalf, the only patriotic option remaining is to hold them accountable on our own behalf.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?.. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
While I agree with the spirit, I have to stop you here
But had understood they had nothing left to lose
You should be asking yourself why does he keep threatening this? Why doesn’t he just do it? Why would he need this to escalate? What is he waiting on?
Clearly, he’s antagonizing because he wants the U.S. military (and all of its weapons and drones) to carry out what his small illiterate army of Nazis is already doing in American cities. What you have to lose now is that you would be handing him exactly what he wants.
It may be inevitable, but what do you accomplish by making it any easier on him?
Make him keep begging for it. Make him keep showing the whole world what a pathetic greasy little orange shit stain he and his storm troopers are.
Let history remember how pathetic and disgustingly passive aggressive the most “powerful” man in the world and his army really were in their war against America.
He’ll generate what he wants regardless, that’s the point. We should be peaceful yes, but we should match any escalation against peaceful protest, because doing otherwise shows there is no consequences for escalation. In other words let them make the first move, but be ready for it.
but we should match any escalation against peaceful protest
It depends on what you mean by match it. Your goal should be to humiliate them, and make them look like the feeble minded simpletons that they are, not to provide them with a victim narrative.
Friendly reminder, they are trying to get protestors to fire on federal officers by antagonizing protestors with their (probably bullet proof patrol cars), most likely to justify the defense argument currently being used by the officer who murdered Renee good.
These are some pathetic and passive aggressive little bitches on a power trip. It would be easy to make them the victims. Don’t do it.
If this administration doesn’t succeed in overthrowing democracy, and we ever get legitimate leaders again, I wonder if we could get some kind of official recognition or honor given to the people who have been wounded or killed while standing up for their rights and the rights of everyone in the U.S.?
We couldn’t even get a plaque put up commentatoring the police who died on January 6th. Wishful thinking.
I guess I just feel like if you’re not at least dreaming about a better future, even if it’s a distant one you won’t live to experience, you’ve already surrendered.
If things go how they historically have in the US likely not
My cynical take is in 20 years you’ll have a day of remembrance and in 80 years your grandchildren will have official apologies, unless this current administration ends doesn’t get thrown out within 5 years - then it will take even longer. My less cynical take is that these people aren’t losing their lives or ability to see because they want official recognition or honour, they want freedom because that’s the thing really matters. I do agree though, once the freedom (and rule of law) is back, these people definitely deserve some kind of official recognition or honour.
Your cynical take is far more optimistic than mine. I am more of the opinion that these incidents will be treated like the race massacres from post-civil war reconstruction: almost entirely forgotten and barely talked about. Actually, it will be even more forgotten than those. People died in those incidents by the thousands. No one is going to remember a few protests with a handful of injuries.
You could definitely be right. I believe current day US behaves a lot like 1938-ish Germany, which makes that my expectation on how we will look back on this time is influenced by how we looked back on ww2 in the first decades after it ended. The current regime could easily take another route than Hitlers Germany did.
I hope so, and I hope these people and families get the reparations they deserve.
Now THAT’S the real pie in the sky idea. I think you could realistically get the government paying $5M to some architectural firm to design le “haunting” brutalist monument which is le “stark reminder” of “dark times” that we will “never let happen again”, but zero chance anyone gets reparations unless they pay a lawyer and go to court over it
And I hope it all happens. Especially the lawyer part.
Time to start firing back with some more lethal rounds
DEATH TO ICE
The reality is if you protest armed thugs, you really must wear PE. Protect your eyes, ears, elbows, knees. Ideally gas masks too.
Protest level: Hong Kong
(via https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/reader-center/hong-kong-protests-gillian-wong-insider.html / https://archive.is/6IApR)
Wear. Eye. Protection. Ballisitic goggles.
as bad as the blinding sounds, the shrapnel worries me more. i’m familiar with a kickass surgeon in phoenix who might be able to help, but i don’t know how to contact the injured.
- Family Testimony (Jeri Rees): People Magazine Interview
- Official Medical Fund: Stand with K: Justice and Healing
Thanks. My SIL had an awful carotid injury and the folk at ucsf did amazing things to save her life before a clinic in Phoenix did too. Dad had a great brain surgeon at ucsf too. They may be able to get some of that shrapnel out safely.
This nation needs some R&R — Reparations and Repercussions.
If’n we want to get fundamental , we know who shot who & still has 2 eyeballs. Just sayin’. If justice doesn’t serve us, perhaps the people shall determine the verdict for vermin passing as human. If we can doctor up a bill, float it through ice, pretend we gonna be head knockers, but b/c they didn’t really read fine print. Doozy of a munitions bill gets ice as it’s target. It can be done. But I’m leaning towards someone with more money & knowledge telling me it’s a great idea. Then that is the point where I say, great, you pay for it all. Then I end up floating somewhere in NJ. I live in the PNW. Any other ideas people?
Maybe I just need some more coffee this morning, but right now, Im just wondering what this gibberish word salad is supposed to actually mean…
I read an incredibly disturbing article about someone who was anti ice & ended up being offered a job. With ice. https://www.democracynow.org/2026/1/14/laura_jedeed_ice Holy Moly. Anyways. Yes. There is some gibberish mostly. Perhaps if we can read nuance and take that word salad, deconstruct. Then examine what we’re goin for. I’ll have another cup of java w/ya 😉
Go to the local construction store and buy safety glasses.
Make sure they’re ANSI impact rated. Even better, get a full-face shield that attaches to a hard hat so you wear swimming goggles and a respirator underneath to protect against tear gas.
A motocross chest protector will take a lot of the sting away from those rubber bullets. If you’re a man, WEAR A CUP. Police aim for the groin when they can see the face is protected.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/ice-border-patrol-less-lethal-weapons-protesters/
The article was mistaken, they refer to it as non-lethal rounds. Even DHS itself refers to them as less lethal. There is a difference between less lethal and non-lethal.
A point without distinction, mate. They fired a weapon at close range at that man. The state knows what potential these weapons have, which is why they use them.
A point without distinction, mate.
I mean, that really depends on where you are, doesn’t it? Some places make distinctions between non-lethal weapons and less-lethal weapons and some don’t. Pretty much any weapon can kill if used on someone’s head or other vital areas. Projectiles tend to fly faster the closer they are to what shot them.
I see the issue as either one of poor training (not trained to use the weapon) or poor training (trained to use the less-lethal weapon in a lethal manner) and I’m not sure which frightens me more right now. Probably the latter.
The entire law enforcement apparatus is well aware of the potential to maim or kill with their less-than lethal weapons. These motherfuckers pull out their pepper ball guns, bean bag guns, and then shoot people at point blank range, in hope of maiming.
Making a distinction between “less-than” and “non” lethal does not matter if the results are the same.
The only good pig is one that is roasting over the fire.
Adding to this our military’s usage of WP should be proof enough of this idea
Hi I just wanted to pointed out that the girl in the green hair and the guy that was being dragged in Santa Ana were egging people on to take the building. I was there to protest until I realize that 2 factions were budding heads while one was peaceful the ones you see wanted this to happen. I feel bad for the people that were protesting peacefully with their families and children, but that small group was really asking for blood and they got it. No I don’t support any violence against the populist I did not serve my country for this to happen and fuck ICE and DHS.
OCDSA was not happy about that group trying to instigate fights and egging folks to attack the building. That girl in the green/blue hair has done this multiple times from the times I’ve gone to protest in Santa Ana.
Edit: lol I’m being downvoted as an actual witness of the protest.
Do you have any footage of that confrontation from your perspective by any chance? Would be interesting to see.
No, I tend not to take any electronics when I protest. I can tell you that we marched from the feds building around the block while there were like 6 kids in those mini motorcycles/bikes. No feds were out until like after 8 since that was around the time I left. People were pretty much asking them to leave the protestors alone since everybody was on the street. Btw the street were the fed building is was blocked off before the protest was started.
So we had room and we were close to the building but the person with blueish hair with the guy wanted them to step on government property and kept egging them on. She’s been there before a different protest but she wasn’t being reckless like she was on Friday night.
Edit: also while we were marching they stayed behind.
“Stepping on government property” is “asking for blood”?
Stop defending the ones who actually committed violence.
Lol ok. People telling me what to do when they weren’t even in area. Downvote all you like and make your own stories. Enjoy.
People if you expect violence at least go prepared don’t act like victims because of your own stupidity that people tried to talk you out of it.
