Why would I want AI to play the game other than for testing?
I wouldn’t mind playing games co-op with AI.
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Few games actually have that and even fewer have ones that play well.
So many games have companions tho. Most of the time, I don’t want them but they are forced upon me. Such as in Wo Long or Skyrim.
Yeah, I’m talking about games where they’re designed for humans to play together.
Well, I have found that It Takes Two really only takes two controllers and beat it all by myself with these two hands. 😤
Why would I want AI to play the game other than for testing?
Beat Elon in PoE
I don’t need AI to do that unless I am actually playing against the dude he pays to play for him.
Bold to assume having an AI play the game for testing is actually useful. Given how buggy games release nowadays i genuinely wonder which companies still properly have play testers. An AI whose results you mostly ignore is pointless.
I suspect it’s not a lack of playtesters that’s the problem, but harsh deadlines and crunch. That type of environment leads to tech debt to get things working fast, which leads to hard-to-manage code, which leads to bugs…
Why the fuck is AI always being applied to only parts of society that are fun?
So you can spend more time working shit jobs for shit pay. Aren’t you happy? 😊
AI took that too! Oops all joblessness! 🤩
I want LLMs to be used to create thousands of characters that have agency in like, Skyrim or something, and to watch the absolutely unhinged fucking chaos of what it creates.
I don’t want it to play games for me.
I don’t even want that, I’d rather a game have its characters and writing created with intent by a person who cares.
That would be so freaking cool
I want AI to do my chores not play my games.
Sorry, AI must only be inserted into places it isn’t actually wanted.
Silver lining: maybe it could be used to make some games more accessible for people with disabilities
Right? Like, figure out how to sort and fold laundry.
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Work is hard, modern games are easy.
Shoot this dot, go to that dot, bring “x” to this dot…
Anything requiring critical thinking like a puzzle, the bot just brute forces trying every possible outcome until something works.
It works because games have a finite set of options and at least one progresses. The real world isn’t that clean, and you don’t get infinite chances to get 1 correct solution.
Honestly I’d be curious about what a couple Minecraft bots could do. If you gave them a roadmap to endgame gear, what kind of farms would they build?
Sort of already exists as Baritone. https://github.com/cabaletta/baritone I’m not sure what all it can and can’t do but it’s pretty sophisticated.
Edit: Note that, as far as I know, none of it is AI in the modern usage of the term.
Yes! I went kind of hard into technical Minecraft during COVID and used it a lot. It’s more of an automation framework, it’s a terrific piece of software but not “AI”.
I’ve dicked around with a baritone+LLM setup but it’s really hard to get the model to do anything worthwhile. The model doesn’t really see the world around it, just whatever textual representation you manage to make of it. It’s slow and frustrating and only gets the very basic tasks right.
I would imagine a vision+interaction model would be leaps and bounds better at any interesting application. Ultimately I’d love to see a civilization of bots building its own base with mega farms and shit…
Did you see the one where someone trained bots to do crystal pvp on 2b2t? It was fascinating and actually “AI” (not LLM AI but what we would’ve called AI pre LLM/gen AI lol). I don’t remember much else. Basically the bots actually saw the screen, not at full resolution, but enough to really see and move and attack players in a very advanced way. (Crystal PVP involves putting down end crystals and detonating them, it’s much more involved than just clicking with a sword or aiming arrows.)
I totally missed that ! Thanks for the reference I’ll try to find it.
I used to hang with a crew that was really into crystal pvp, this brings back memories. Personally I find it pretty boring but the coding part on their custom clients was pretty fun.
If they’re as good at the game as LLMs are at writing, the bots would probably try to build a Nether portal using black wool instead of obsidian, then set it on fire, then die burning on said fire.
How much legal trouble would I get for kicking a CEO in the testicles? it feels like it would be worth it if I ever met NVIDIA’s bosses.
None if you don’t get caught. They’re not going to do a full investigation if you don’t try to murder the guy. Also, look how badly the current FBI fumbled the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s killer? into Brian Thompson’s killer?
It’s crazy how much Brian Thompson isn’t even a name in my head. If someone murders me, I only hope they’re not so charismatic that when people try to remember me they just picture a beige balloon named John Lastname.
Depends, are you rich?
Or remarkably good-looking?
Great! Now the AI can play the video games for me while I do the dishes. I swear it was the other way around in the SciFi.
Shut up and get back down the mines or your robot manager-security-cop will have to terminate you. Meet your billionaire-enforced quota and you’ll live to enjoy another day of mining.
Merry Christmas from Chiron Beta Prime :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3DyxaCYlfg
Plot twist: turns out that at some point, the billionaire got replaced by robots who have learned to be megalomaniac assholes.
Game companies: spend millions fighting cheating and cheat software.
Nvidia: here comes AI game assist!
Next: game companies can subscribe to NVIDIA anti-AI-cheating AI. This is innovation under capitalism.
Cheaters have been using object detection AI to cheat for quite some time
Great, another fun thing the LLM craze want to take from me. FFS.
that and the polar ice caps
That’s cool. AI can do art and writing and video games for me. It can watch all my shows. All I have to do is work and maybe sleep. Sounds fun.
Y’all laugh but there are way too many people into idle games, not to mention people who prefer watching a stream (even without commentary) over playing a game itself.
I cannot comprehend why, though, just like I can’t comprehend how cheating (particularly single player) can be fun.
I was laughing along until you said “watching a stream (even without commentary)”. Yeah I’ve done that one. Sometimes I want to see what’s next in the game without spending 100 hours to get there ><. Also watching lets me mentally unwind, playing takes a mental toll.
I think we’re all kinda beat down by life, so I don’t really judge people on it. I just am not one of them, haha. (But I don’t even watch TV or movies much so I’m admittedly a weirdo).
Cheats in single player games is a blast.
It gets old quick but it’s fun for a while.
how cheating (particularly single player) can be fun
Have you never played a game with unreasonable grind that saps all the fun out of it ? Often just to drive player hours and ‘engagement’. Multiplayer cheats however can die in a fire.
I suppose. When I’m referring to cheats, it’s more in regards to invulnerability, infinite resources, etc., which seem to sap the point of having a game in the first place. Like making the fun parts into a grind, rather than the other way around.
That said, I’ll also say sometimes part of the challenge is the grind, so it depends. You have to pick your own poison, right?
Like, take Silksong for example. You lose out on the full experience if you mod out the annoying run from bench to boss, it’s like a 40 second annoyance built in punishment. But I get why you’d do that-- it’s technically there for a reason but I get it. Hell, even the difficulty adjustment mods I can understand.
But making the bosses die in one hit or making yourself invulnerable? Now you’ve lost me, that’s like a core element of the game; you might as well just watch someone else play it because what’s the point.
When I was a child I used to ask my dad to input the invulnerability cheat in Doom. I was way too bad at movement, aiming and basically just everything, that I could have had fun otherwise. Likewise for Anno 1602, there I needed the money cheat because otherwise I’d just go bankrupt. I didn’t understand the income balance yet but I still had fun building economy chains.
I’m not sure I have a point here. Just remembered cheating as a child because I needed it. Probably haven’t cheated in 18 years now.
My dad entered in codes for me when I was really little, but that’s kind of another thing entirely. I don’t think little kids have an achievement oriented sorta version of play, so anything goes with them. Once you’re older, that dopamine rush just hits differently, though.
In education you could also consider it a form of scaffolding. Enabling someone to do something they normally can’t do is a form of development, like giving handicaps in games and stuff can foster the skills to not need them eventually.
Good analogy. It also brought to mind the bumpers you can enable for kids in bowling.
I mean it used to be the norm for games to have cheat codes built into them. Maybe you get stuck on one part and need help, maybe you have fun spawning a bunch of weapons and going on a rampage (see GTA), or maybe you just want to see what happens if you spawn a giant enemy in a small room.
Then just don’t play that game lmao
I don’t watch others playing games, either, but someone who likes those streams told me he didn’t see a difference between watching good gamers play games and good football players play football.
You never used cheat codes in GTA San Andreas and the like? It’s a lot of fun
I actually thought about that after my comment and summoning a tank from nowhere was fun. At least for a little bit… but maybe mostly for the novelty of it all. Also I was like, 12.
I mean it varies. It’s fun to just goof off in games sometimes. That’s why sandbox games like Minecraft typically have creative modes, sometimes you just wanna play in the sandbox and have a good time without the more typical game parts tying you down
Imagine thé thing you cook and guide a rimworld playing ia while making cookie then an horde attack you start yelling the cookie burn your base is lost.
I can’t believe I’m not really not really flying a spaceship!
Leonard > Amy
I guess Elon won’t be needing gamers’ services to max out his characters anymore.
Fucking AI taking valuable jobs away again.
Oh yeah? Go beat Talos Principle then.
I see what you did there.
Zzzt!
The age of ai-generated streamers is coming…
People and corporations will automatize all the process and turn it into passive income, and a lot of people will somehow watch it, making the thing profitable.
I’m tired of all this…
A Minecraft and Roblox streamer tried that a year ago, primarily as a pitch to investors to make a service for other streamers to make AI-generated content. His name is Kwebbelkop. This guy managed to make the laziest brand of content I have ever even heard suggested as an idea: An AI avatar reading an AI reaction to an AI-generated image. And I thought reaction videos were bad…
I’m tired of all this…
