Summary
The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.
High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.
Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.
Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.
Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.
I won’t be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.
Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.
Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.
Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?
Initially some American prison then deported to some random country based on what he appeared to be to the racist in command in charge of making this decision
*Central American prison.
It’s not the “immigration agenda”, it’s the “illegal captivity and deportations”.
Nah, couldn’t be the illegal imprisonment and torture random citizens and tourists have been experiencing.
Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It’s a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.
Sometimes they detain people as they are trying to leave the US.
True!
Man, I was going to go to a wedding there that was super important to me but now I’m SO torn.
That’s a shame! I can understand you’re torn about it
None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).
Why even go visit the US? There’s nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country
Come visit Canada instead (: pretty much the same, but you won’t be detained at the border.
For much of the world getting a Canadian tourist visa is harder than a USA tourist visa.
Look, I’ve been to the states a good 7 or 8 times and I’m really very fond of the place and the people generally. That includes the, hands down, best summer of my life on a college visa.
I will not be going back there until shit calms down. I just can’t gamble on the notion of spending weeks in a cold, overly bright shithole cell on the whim of anyone on the way through just for a holiday when I can spin over to any country in Europe and just get a smile and a “Welcome” from the border security on my way in.
It just wouldn’t be a rational choice.
edit: I just want to add in that the EU pumps an enormous amount of money on the Erasmus scheme. If you’re not in the know the idea is to get kids in college in one country to do a year of the course in another country in Europe. The only real goal of this is to make people realise that they’re just like everyone else in Europe so we never have an internal war again and it is (along with a few other bits) the best money the EU spends IMO.
I will not be going back there until shit calms down.
Don’t expect it for a long time. You talk about the Erasmus to teach people they’re just like everyone else to prevent an internal war.
Here in the states, I honest to god cannot see how our two sides can come to a peaceful resolution and that terrifies me.
I know folks in Georgia, S. Carolina, and N. Carolina who’ve never been more than a couple hours drive from their birthplace in their entire lives.
Same from Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma…
Yet they think they understand how the world works better than anyone.
Yup, utterly clueless about how 90% of the rest of the world actually lives.
There is no means to a peaceful resolution when one side actively dreams of genociding or enslaving half the other side
Hell, they want to enslave a chunk of their own side. Shouldn’t be long until it’s illegal to be too poor.
I feel like there is a /s I missed. It’s already illegal to be poor here. Don’t have a house/apartment to sleep in? Crime.
Can’t pay taxes? Crime.
Wanna stay warm by burning a Tesla? Crime.
Pretty much.
Good, this gives me a little hope that the rest of the world is starting to understand how awful the US is, and that there just might be a few actual consequences for that awfulness.
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I’m a us citizen living in Japan and I wouldn’t consider. Unless someone’s dying, I’m staying out. Taking my non-white wife who barely speaks any English is 100% out of the question.
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Thank you. I’m also a Canadian citizen so, if family really needed to meet and weren’t dying, we’d probably go to Windsor or something and have them meet us there.
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The nature and scenery in the US is honestly stunning, and you’re lucky to have the NPS to make all of it so accessible.
In saying that though; there is natural beauty everywhere you look in the world and it’s very easy, and often cheaper to go elsewhere.
and you’re lucky to have the NPS to make all of it so accessible.
Give it a couple years…
Years is optimistic
I mean… there’s a good side. We don’t have the manufacturing for heavy equipment and we’re pissing off the world so it might take a couple years before we actually have the heavy equipment to strip mine our national parks.
Note this means tourist areas should see prices drop on food in grocery stores because the supply was being created pre-decreased population. The decreased cash flow will hurt businesses and the suppliers will decrease production as to not have to sell at slim to no margins which will bring the prices back up soon enough (or the farmers/distributers will go out of business themselves).
It will give people in those areas a false narrative for the time being though because they will be happy about lower prices and less car traffic… But all the resteraunts will have less patrons, and less money going to servers, less jobs to be had eventually.
I doubt prices will drop as fast as bankruptcies will increase because the distribution chain has that price inflation and it will react slowly. The tighter the margin the more quickly the business will fail.
Employment will also drop quickly because firing people is a fast and easy way to reduce overhead so service quality will dive off a cliff.
But, hey, less traffic! Yay!
On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.
Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.
Go home and campaign for your leftist party to protect yourselves from the disease.
Somehow, Nazis have returned.
It’s like I’m loving real like call of duty Nazi zombies. They’re back.
A few weeks ago, I told my Canadian coworker that if she leaves to see her Dad, as she does at least once a year, she might not be able to come back. She just laughed like I was joking.
There’s more than a few Canadians who think it can’t happen to them.
And nobody’s seen her since…
Is this what Project 2025 wants to happen? I heard 42% of their goals have already been implemented. Do they think that isolationism and going back to unilateral, strong armed foreign policy will work? And I thought the Nazis were really stupid…oh wait…
A 9% reduction seems low. I’m curious to know emigration numbers (I’m getting out of here myself)
Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn’t easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.
it’s only been 2 months
I really wanted to visit this year to for the first time, but instead I’m going to Canada and I’m really excited!
Just a warning: both nations are huge, and depending on where you go you’ll have a very different experience.
Generally in Canada, the colder the climate, the warmer the people, so you have to decide how much you value both.
Canada is very similar to the US except not insane and colder.
Yes. Don’t come to the south-western part where it’s rainy but warm. Pleugh. Very expensive.
Avoid the posh hotels in Ucluelet (land in tahsis nearby if you don’t like the drive) or the beaches in Tofino. Or the forests around port Renfrew (YCD airport to skip that drive). Bleugh. Terrible. Not a Starbucks in sight.
Vancouver too. Yuck. (YCH/YVR). Pretty blue glass and excursions to pretty bridges and hills and trails. Focus on the san-fran style homeless issues and high cost of your trip.
Definitely Do Not go see ucky Canada. But we’d love to have you and hope you have a great time.
Glad you’re avoiding our shithole country. Wish I could say the same.
Welcome! Hope you have a lovely time!
Looking forward to seeing you round here, eh!
50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.
Not anymore, Canada has its elbows up.
What about their threats to a G7 ally? Does that contribute to the dropoff too?
