Hmm… not sure if its just those people who swayed the election. I think you are overestimating just how little the average American care about brown kids dying in the middle east.
If you look at the inflation, its correlated with Biden’s presidency, but voters don’t understand the idea of
Correlation =/= Causation
They forgot the whole Covid thing caused it, it was trump fucking up covid that exacerbaed the inflation.
And voters immediately thought its Biden’s fault, so those who voted democratic in 2020, decided to not vote because “prices didn’t go down so why bother voting”
It was death by 1000 cuts, but let’s not pretend Gaza wasn’t a major contributing factor on top of a feels-over-reals vibecession due to pandemic inflation.
No it wasn’t racial. At least not at that scale on the Dem side. It’s even simpler.
The candidates this round were all terrible options, from beginning to end. Trump was always going to be the Republican nominee, and Biden/Harris for the Dems. No one else was ever going to even be considered.
The Rep messaging was “shit is fucked, we’ll fix it”. That’s a lie of course, they have no plan to actually fix anything, their plans are to make it all and help the oligarchs as usual. But their messaging at least acknowledged the issues most people were feeling.
The Dem messaging boiled down to “it’s not that bad”. Which is objectively correct, but not what 90% of people felt. They ignored what real people were feeling entirely, so why should they vote for a party that won’t even acknowledge that fundamental issues exist?
Not gonna really bother reading past the first couple sentences, it’s the same shit people post all the time that relies on flawed assumptions of the average person. It assumes that most people have the time to learn facts and properly weigh them for conclusions. And that’s assuming they even want to pay attention to anything remotely related to politics.
Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Many work multiple jobs. They do not have the time to spend educating themselves about these topics. Most people scroll social media and maybe watch an hour of news before bed. They are 100% reliant on messaging from social media, friends, and news organizations to do most of the analysis for them and tell them what the takeaway is for complicated situations.
Now combine that lack of both desire and time to research, with 40+ years of targeted propaganda from the likes of Fox News distorting basic definitions about words like fascism, socialism, etc. and outright lying about the facts to push a narrative with the exact opposite explanation of reality. Right wing media has been saying the exact thing Democrats started warning people about, but they have been doing it for decades and saying it was the Dems. So those words are meaningless to the average person now, because they’ve been getting disinformation shoved down their throat for so long that the effect has been diluted and defined incorrectly.
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
They quickswitched to black woman, which put her behind as no primary or time to build name recognition.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
The reason Dems lost is because Trump promised economic growth (“greatness”), and such a thing is possible through mars colonization. People felt that (maybe). They don’t actually care about how poor their living conditions are, they just want an adventure. And they’ll get one.
Also lots and lots of backlash against cancel culture.
They lost because the Dem candidate was telling the working class that any issues with the economy happening, are just figments of their imagination, and they should be happy in this economy.
Meanwhile, evictions are up, homelessness is up, pay is stagnant, and cost of everything is through the roof.
It’s literally so bad, we are starting to see the working class kill CEOs.
So… they lost because they lost sight of the voters, and then rejected guidance to get back on course.
Actually, Kamala got equal or better vote turnout in all but one, iirc, key swing state than Biden did. So the Dems did turn up for Kamala. It’s just that Trump got more votes. Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.
I agree that was douchy of them to say, but at the end of the day the election is historically about the economy. Race didn’t matter. Stance on Israel/Gaza didn’t matter. Primary wouldn’t have mattered. Any dem was going to lose because the people felt they were doing worse under Biden, despite apparently handling an economic crisis masterfully. (I would argue it was largely luck, but it doesn’t matter.)
To believe any of the sideshow issues mattered is to ignore history. It’s sad, but looks true to a high degree.
Yes? Has been since before the rise of truly fake news on social media in the run up to the 2016 election.
It was all anti Hillary stuff, but of course the right is the embodiment of projection, and so trump latched on to the “fake news” term with glee to discredit any and all news that he didn’t like.
This is a democratic republic, or well it was… The people (the demos in democratic), absolutely deserve much of the blame for how they voted.
A functioning adult brain shouldn’t need to be “motivated” to do what is obviously the better choice for them, their family, the country and the world. And yet here we are, a land of endless useful idiots, thinking they are making a stand while doing exactly what empowers the corporate oligarchy the most.
My principled choice says fuck Netenyahu, fuck Hamas, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Yahweh, fuck Mohammah, and fuck useful, easily manipulated idiots who desperately search for a new excuse every 4 years to let perfection be the enemy of progress.
Congratulations, you’re about to see what real scorched earth genocide and mass relocation looks like.
Sorry the prospect of keeping a literal fascist out of the most powerful office in the world didn’t get you off, I guess? Sorry you don’t understand the difference between neoliberalism and fascism? Sorry you prefer fascism? I don’t really understand what y’all’s hangup was.
If only more people voted for the Democrats, Americans would have free health care, better education, and they wouldn’t be owned by corporations. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place. Just like when Democrats where in power the last times, it was utopia. Obama even closed Guantanamo!
If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place.
I mean, literally, yes. Most of the EOs that Trump has signed won’t be felt by the majority but trans kids are about to be bullied and committing suicide in much greater numbers, Latino Americans are going to have their families torn apart or be deported along with their family, careers are about to be ended for thousands, cancer research is getting paused, medications are going to get more expensive, progress on carbon reduction is grinding to a halt and probably reversing, and Federal aid is going to be tied to how much Presidential ass you’re willing to kiss. And this is with barely any legislation being passed! It would have been 10x better keeping the status quo!
Of course. With all the power, Democrats would have stopped financing genocide. Only with absolute power can the Democrats improve public transit, provide clean water, lower the cost of groceries, tax the rich and generally fight for the people they are supposed to represent. Without absolute power, they have been forced to continue financing genocide and ignore the problems of the common people.
People who sat out on voting for Kamela over the Biden handling of Gaza voted for this.
Hmm… not sure if its just those people who swayed the election. I think you are overestimating just how little the average American care about brown kids dying in the middle east.
If you look at the inflation, its correlated with Biden’s presidency, but voters don’t understand the idea of
Correlation =/= Causation
They forgot the whole Covid thing caused it, it was trump fucking up covid that exacerbaed the inflation.
And voters immediately thought its Biden’s fault, so those who voted democratic in 2020, decided to not vote because “prices didn’t go down so why bother voting”
It was death by 1000 cuts, but let’s not pretend Gaza wasn’t a major contributing factor on top of a feels-over-reals vibecession due to pandemic inflation.
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So, the spike in homelessness was just an illusion people were feeling?
Man, I wish people told the ones doing the evictions that it’s all just an illusion…
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No it wasn’t racial. At least not at that scale on the Dem side. It’s even simpler.
The candidates this round were all terrible options, from beginning to end. Trump was always going to be the Republican nominee, and Biden/Harris for the Dems. No one else was ever going to even be considered.
The Rep messaging was “shit is fucked, we’ll fix it”. That’s a lie of course, they have no plan to actually fix anything, their plans are to make it all and help the oligarchs as usual. But their messaging at least acknowledged the issues most people were feeling.
The Dem messaging boiled down to “it’s not that bad”. Which is objectively correct, but not what 90% of people felt. They ignored what real people were feeling entirely, so why should they vote for a party that won’t even acknowledge that fundamental issues exist?
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Not gonna really bother reading past the first couple sentences, it’s the same shit people post all the time that relies on flawed assumptions of the average person. It assumes that most people have the time to learn facts and properly weigh them for conclusions. And that’s assuming they even want to pay attention to anything remotely related to politics.
Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Many work multiple jobs. They do not have the time to spend educating themselves about these topics. Most people scroll social media and maybe watch an hour of news before bed. They are 100% reliant on messaging from social media, friends, and news organizations to do most of the analysis for them and tell them what the takeaway is for complicated situations.
Now combine that lack of both desire and time to research, with 40+ years of targeted propaganda from the likes of Fox News distorting basic definitions about words like fascism, socialism, etc. and outright lying about the facts to push a narrative with the exact opposite explanation of reality. Right wing media has been saying the exact thing Democrats started warning people about, but they have been doing it for decades and saying it was the Dems. So those words are meaningless to the average person now, because they’ve been getting disinformation shoved down their throat for so long that the effect has been diluted and defined incorrectly.
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
They quickswitched to black woman, which put her behind as no primary or time to build name recognition.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
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I mean they likely won and Trump just flipped the votes
https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis
But genocide Joe enjoyers likely did cause a drop in enthusiasm and lower turnout. (As the propaganda they consumed desired)
Why is this getting downvotes without being refuted? Read the information in the link please.
And this arrogant ignorance is why the Dems lost, and will continue to lose.
It’s a bold strategy let’s see how many votes it costs you the next time around.
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The reason Dems lost is because Trump promised economic growth (“greatness”), and such a thing is possible through mars colonization. People felt that (maybe). They don’t actually care about how poor their living conditions are, they just want an adventure. And they’ll get one.
Also lots and lots of backlash against cancel culture.
They lost because the Dem candidate was telling the working class that any issues with the economy happening, are just figments of their imagination, and they should be happy in this economy.
Meanwhile, evictions are up, homelessness is up, pay is stagnant, and cost of everything is through the roof.
It’s literally so bad, we are starting to see the working class kill CEOs.
So… they lost because they lost sight of the voters, and then rejected guidance to get back on course.
Actually, Kamala got equal or better vote turnout in all but one, iirc, key swing state than Biden did. So the Dems did turn up for Kamala. It’s just that Trump got more votes. Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.
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I agree that was douchy of them to say, but at the end of the day the election is historically about the economy. Race didn’t matter. Stance on Israel/Gaza didn’t matter. Primary wouldn’t have mattered. Any dem was going to lose because the people felt they were doing worse under Biden, despite apparently handling an economic crisis masterfully. (I would argue it was largely luck, but it doesn’t matter.)
To believe any of the sideshow issues mattered is to ignore history. It’s sad, but looks true to a high degree.
You must be one of the “Socialists” then?
They never gave a shit about Palestine. It was just another example of “The Issue” for them to base their entire personality around to pose online.
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Yes? Has been since before the rise of truly fake news on social media in the run up to the 2016 election.
It was all anti Hillary stuff, but of course the right is the embodiment of projection, and so trump latched on to the “fake news” term with glee to discredit any and all news that he didn’t like.
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…the purpose of people sitting out the election? You know, the topic of the comment you responded to?
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Winning the election, obviously. It’s not a subtle implication, they basically said it, how are you confused?
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They’re getting exactly what they voted for, but probably not what they wanted. But at least bLuE mAgA lost right guys?
The exact same thing would have happened under Harris. Remember, Harris is a strong ally of Israel…
Keep blaming and crying about the voters neoliberal corporate-whorism failed to motivate!
It’s worked out well for you so far…
This is a democratic republic, or well it was… The people (the demos in democratic), absolutely deserve much of the blame for how they voted.
A functioning adult brain shouldn’t need to be “motivated” to do what is obviously the better choice for them, their family, the country and the world. And yet here we are, a land of endless useful idiots, thinking they are making a stand while doing exactly what empowers the corporate oligarchy the most.
So is genocider A or genocider B the right choice?
Do you prefer a red genocide or a blue genocide?
Or will you admit it’s just Red v Blue for you, rather than principled choices?
My principled choice says fuck Netenyahu, fuck Hamas, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Yahweh, fuck Mohammah, and fuck useful, easily manipulated idiots who desperately search for a new excuse every 4 years to let perfection be the enemy of progress.
Congratulations, you’re about to see what real scorched earth genocide and mass relocation looks like.
But not “fuck Biden for perpetuating the genocide”?
Interesting…
Because it was the Biden administration who rejected like 100 ceasefire proposals, not Hamas…? 🤣
We can continue this discussion in 4 years. You ain’t seen shit yet.
100? Nah, they did veto like 8 resolutions for a ceasefire in the UN, though.
And supplied all if the weapons used to genocide Palestinians.
Sorry the prospect of keeping a literal fascist out of the most powerful office in the world didn’t get you off, I guess? Sorry you don’t understand the difference between neoliberalism and fascism? Sorry you prefer fascism? I don’t really understand what y’all’s hangup was.
If only more people voted for the Democrats, Americans would have free health care, better education, and they wouldn’t be owned by corporations. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place. Just like when Democrats where in power the last times, it was utopia. Obama even closed Guantanamo!
I mean, literally, yes. Most of the EOs that Trump has signed won’t be felt by the majority but trans kids are about to be bullied and committing suicide in much greater numbers, Latino Americans are going to have their families torn apart or be deported along with their family, careers are about to be ended for thousands, cancer research is getting paused, medications are going to get more expensive, progress on carbon reduction is grinding to a halt and probably reversing, and Federal aid is going to be tied to how much Presidential ass you’re willing to kiss. And this is with barely any legislation being passed! It would have been 10x better keeping the status quo!
Why wasn’t that done when Biden was in office?
Why didn’t the dems get rid of the filibuster when they created the rules package for the Senate on like day 1 of Biden’s term?
Republicans
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You are confusing in power with absolute power. It’s a very common issue with dishonest people.
Don’t forget stupid fuckwads who never learned what Congress is or how the government works on even the most basic fucking level!
Of course. With all the power, Democrats would have stopped financing genocide. Only with absolute power can the Democrats improve public transit, provide clean water, lower the cost of groceries, tax the rich and generally fight for the people they are supposed to represent. Without absolute power, they have been forced to continue financing genocide and ignore the problems of the common people.
Remember when Biden shut down the concentration camps on our southern border during his term?
Oh right, he didnt.