Automated background removal was also added recently.

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          For how relatively well known it is (it’s probably like the next most well known piece of FOSS after Linux and Blender) I can’t believe how bad a piece of software GIMP is.

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            I hope you mean the UX. I think attacking it’s functionality would be unfair. It does everything good and right … technically.

            If the UX is objectively bad or “just” subjectively might be hard to find out. I would assume if there are objective UX mistakes, some contributor might have been able to deal with that by now. But of course it doesn’t change anything if a majority doesn’t like it for subjectice reasons. It’s part of UX design to deal with subjective aspects.

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                  Or color spasecs other than sRGB (8 bits/channel). I’ve a camera that takes 10 bits/channel photos, a monitor that displays 10 bits/channel, etc. But GIMP will just distort the colors because they hard-coded the color space! Can’t edit for print either, no CMYK. GIMP is an image editor for the noughties, not the 2020s.

                  Then again, we’re talking about MS Paint here. If Paint fills your needs, GIMP will be fine.

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                  Not a professional either, but I was also curious and learned:

                  It’s a layer of which the properties/filters apply to all layers below. So you can basically try around and manipulate the visible image without having to combine the layers first.

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              I’ve been waiting for years for “non-destructive edition” (AKA smart objects). It’s a fundamental feature that I use (almost?) always as a first step. IMHO a lof of professional work is not practical without it.

              They had it on the roadmap (see 2020 archive) for years marked as “No[t started]”. The current roadmap looks more promising with “link layers” marked as WIP and saying it could be available on GIMP 3.0.2.

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            I use Gimp a lot.

            It does its job very well, but that job is not to be an alternative to photoshop.

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            I used GIMP before Photoshop and I still massively prefer GIMP.

            I really think its a case of what you got used to first.

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      Paint is not designed to be GIMP/Photoshop alternative. It is just a simple drawing program. Although it is great that they have finally added these long-awaited features, as I may finally move from paint.net, which is also great but it has one huge drawback - it is not a single window, which is a hassle.

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    Screw you Microsoft, I switched to Paint.net forever ago and I’ll be long dead in the cold, cold grave before I recognize Missourah, I mean switch back to Paint.

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        Shouldn’t be too hard, I expect it to be a single executable stored in C:\Windows\System32 , much like the current mspaint.exe. Copy it over, run, have fun

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          Wouldn’t surprise me if they lock it to the windows store. I hope I’m wrong!

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        It’s still missing a handful of features from Windows10, which might keep some people from upgrading

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        Windows 11 is a much better experience for developers than Windows 10. I see a lot of people who just hate on it for no real reason other than it’s different.

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          I’m a dev and I hate Win11. I could list dozens of reasons why, but one that pisses me off daily is that they removed keyboard shortcuts from task manager for no goddamn reason. Alt+E is the shortcut to end process on every other Windows OS except Win11 because it was made with malicious incompetence.

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        Eh, I don’t hate Windows (unlike a lot in the Fediverse), but I wouldn’t say Win11 is awesome. It probably just works. From what I see it’s just a mildly-improved 10, which is nice, but missing a few things (no grouped task bar button option in my case), which is why I’m holding out for now.

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    Those are great features and two of the biggest reasons I never bother with Paint. But locking them to Windows 11 and not putting them out on Windows 10 is some Grade A bullshit.

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      I get why they do it though - any change to win10 needs testing and so on and might not be welcomed by the user base. You can always download a free (as in freedom) image editor, some are even on the Microsoft Store. Be glad they did not backport all the bad sides of win11…

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        They had no problem turning windows 10 into mock windows 11 despite what the userbase may think. I don’t think adding QOL updates to Paint is going to be met with furor.

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      Why would they port new features back to a legacy OS, there is no reason…

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    I’m a hobbyist digital artist and have had to do a handful of graphic design projects for my mundane, non-art-in-anyway job.

    As our computers are locked down Windows PCs, I’ve had to manage with MSPaint. It’s always taken me double the time as on any other program or app, and I have been wishing it had layers for years.

    Since this update is Windows 11 only, I’ll have to for my company to upgrade, so I can look forward to layers in maybe 5 years.

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      At least with layers support you can now extract the individual parts of the image.

      What used to drive me nuts is when they send me over everything in one image and I couldn’t separate the various components out.

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    meanwhile, wordpad… probably used by more people over the age of seven than paint is, getting axed.

    microsoft has office subs to sell, but they do not have a photoshop or gimp or even a paint.net alternative to sell.

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      I’ve literally never met anybody that used Wordpad, whereas I know a lot of tech normies that’ll use MS Paint for quick memes and things

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        I used it back in my Windows days. Out of the box, I think it’s the only way to do rich text on Windows. Also (used to be anyway) one of the less resource intensive options.

        You know, for when you’ve got Napster, Winamp (with visualisation), ICQ, and MSN all up and barely running. You don’t want to have to run, like, WordPerfect at the same time! Your MP3s will start skipping :p

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      I’ve been using Notepad++ for a good while now and it’s proven to be a great alternative to MS WordPad.

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        Can you format at all in Notepad++? I tend to use it for notes jot down in a rush or editing tiny scripts. For stuff that needs to look prettier, I tend to use Google Docs.

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          Yes and then some. It has built in support for a lot of programming languages plus allows you to add more. It also support extended and regex find/replace.

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      They created WordPad because of antitrust issues and never changed it. Try opening a Word document created by a recent version, it’s pretty useless today.

      Notepad rules though, it even got UTF8 support recently-ish! /s

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      What did you think of the changes between Paint XP and modern versions? I used to adore Paint XP, but brush smoothing (though toggleable) and a clunky interface really spoiled the newer versions for me, and I don’t enjoy using them as much. I think I just became so used to the primitive way of drawing well in the old versions that it sort of became it’s own art form. Now they there are more advanced tools and so many required extra clicks, it feels like baggage. In the words of Karl Havoc, “THERE’S TOO MUCH FUCKIN’ SHIT ON ME!

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        If you remove mspaint.exe then Windows will refuse to boot. It’s true, I knew a guy!

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          Jokes aside you can boot Windows without Windows at all. By that I mean you can boot Windows NT without Win32.

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      They did. I guess the community outcry was so loud even Microsoft had to heed it and reverse course.

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      I thought so too. I remember looking for alternatives for when it would be removed completely.

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          I honestly didn’t realize I had been installing it… I went to boot paint.net and was surprised I couldn’t find it on my work computer… that’s how critical it is… or how often I don’t change personal hardware

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      I read that WordPad also was being discontinued, in the same article stating the same about MS Paint iirc

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      No. Wordpad is the one being discontinued. Paint is one of several programs that can now be uninstalled from Windows by end users without any special tricks.

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    I really do like it for something that I want to just add quick/small edits to, or something that can be slapped together quickly. But I do hope this isn’t the start of a trend to bloat mspaint and aim to compete against more robust image editors.

    The pessimist in me fears they’re going to, and start slapping on AI data harvesting measures that they’re integrating into Windows, like for training their own AI art generators. But this addition, in a bubble, is a welcome change.

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    Very cool.

    I like Paint for its simplicity, and since I don’t need all the extra bells and whistles most of the time, I’ve never bothered with learning how to use Photoshop or GIMP.

    I’ve been using Paint.net for the last few years, but I’ll try the new Paint features as well and compare them to see which one I find better.

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      Yeah, I’m using paint.net for most of my editing (photopea for rest) but I would never have made the switch from just paint if it wasn’t for layers and transparency. Those are a big deal.

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          They’re probably using an instance/app where any two words with a dot in between them automatically gets turned into a URL.