President-elect Donald Trump on Friday confirmed that Republicans will work together to ditch Daylight Saving Time, the practice of changing the clocks by an hour twice a year.
The fun is in trying to figure out how this will be profitable for him.
Fingers crossed that this gives us an extra hour of sunshine after work instead of before. It’s so depressing to leave the office at 4pm and it’s already dark out.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but permanent daylight time is bad for public health.
One link to a research article from 1974 about fuel usage. One link to an article about the change between time offset being a problem. No substantiation for other claims. This article is practically an editorial.
No.
You make be spring forward and I’m owed my motherfucking fall back. I’ll take up arms to defend that stance.
Good.
The extra hour of sunshine cannot be good for global temperatures.
I’m assuming you’re joking, but I’m also assuming some morons actually believe this.
Every hour of sunlight brings 173,000 terrawatt hours of total solar irradiance. Even one hour is enough to make a big difference.
Those clocks are mighty powerful.
I’m fine with that, but I think we should settle on Daylight Savings time. You know, when time is an hour ahead of what it is now.
Standard time is the WORST. My political party might be permanent Daylight Savings Time
If we had year-round DST, the sun wouldn’t rise until after 8 AM in the winter.
And yet the happiest countries in the world spend most of the day in winter in darkness, some completely.
Though to be fair most of that has to do with how the governments tend to be more socialist.
I wake up at 6:45-7 most days and it’s not like it’s bright then either. I would MUCH prefer an hour more of daylight after I get off work
That’s totally fine.
At least it wouldn’t set before I leave work !
I support standard time more, the 12 o clock at the center of the timezone should be noon, not having noon at 1PM, and day lengths are better on average without. DST makes it better, but only for sunset times, it makes the mornings drastically worse and I think employers and schools should just change their hours if they care so much about sunlight when they leave.
Some people want DST all year and others want Standard, because depending on where in the country you live–the latitude you are at, and whether you live at the east or west edge of your time zone makes a big difference in your experience of them.
One solution is to adjust the time zone boundaries to make the timing work out better for different locations: making the lines a bit more diagonal will help, and/or add another zone so each zone is narrower and there’s not as much difference in sunrise/sunset times from one edge to the other.
Another idea is, don’t choose between DST and Standard, choose halfway between them: at the next time change, change it by only 1/2 hour instead of a full hour, and leave it there. This may sound strange but there are other countries whose times are offset by 1/2 hour from the others, so it’s not that unusual. So you’re halfway between DST and Standard all year round, so it’s not a big difference and is a good compromise.
Of course it’s always too dark in winter, but combine both of the above mitigations and you minimize any problems from leaving clocks the same all year, no matter what part of the country you live in.
A few states can move a time zone, but northern states really benefit from the change. Daylight varies a ton seasonally in the north compared to south, Panama City has about 10-14 hours, but Seattle has about 8.5-16 hours
Broken clock.
A broken clock can be right three times a day, if it breaks between 2AM and 3AM on the day of the DST change…
Or more often, if it runs backwards. Far less often if it runs fast or slow.
Broken record.
Finally something I can support
The Sunlight Protection Act has been put up several times and passed by the Senate as recently as 2022. It sits in a committee at this time. I’m sure trump will take credit if it works its way through.
Why hasn’t it passed the house if Republicans supported it in the Senate? Strange
Not certain if it’s the same one, but a while ago such a bill was on the docket until they literally forgot about it. Like, they all supported it, but no one brought it up so they didn’t vote on it.
Well I hope it does make it through, despite bronzer boy taking credit for it.
Instead of squawking over which to have, how about we all just uze Zulu time and eliminate the timezone confusion as well?
Then you will have different work hours everywhere. Chaos.
Or you would need to force a lot of people to work at strange hours.How is that chaos?
Sunrised in NY and CA at 7 am today in their respective time
They are 3 hours apart in time zones.
So if you wanted everyone to use same clock and for the sun to rise at 7am in NY. That would mean the sun would rise at 4am in CA.
The sun would set at 1:30pm in CA
Someone currently working a 9-5pm. It would become a 6-2pm job.
How is that not going to cause chaos?
Different employers in areas have their own arbitrary start/stop times already, time numbers are already an arbitrary concept, if someone in CA right now is working hours based on NY, when they work relative to the sun won’t change, just the numbers. The difference would be in people cold contacting others vs scheduled times. Right now if something is scheduled you have to convert it to your time, the formula for which will vary based on what time zone it is scheduled in. With this change, when reaching out to someone far away, you’d have to figure out if you’re contacting them at an appropriate time for their day/night, but that’s also inexact because people have different personal cycles anyway.
Working hours being 9am-5pm vs 1900-0300 are just numbers.
On a day in California, where the sun rises at 7 am PST, it would be equivalent to making it 3 pm UTC.
You think people in California are going to be happy waking up at 3 pm, going to work at 5pm-1am, then going to sleep at 7am?
People are angry that they get an extra hour of sleep one night and lose one another. 2 days out of the year.
You really think you’re going to sell these people on waking up at 3 pm and going to bed at 7am?
Working hours being 9am-5pm vs 1900-0300 are just numbers.
Working hours being 9am-5pm PST vs 9am-5pm PDT are just numbers
DST just tries to shift everyone to a beneficial sun zone for a part of the year.
Depending where you live and mainly how close you are to a time zone line depends if keeping it, getting rid of it, or keeping the current system is beneficial.
Maine could be in it’s own time zone as far east as it really is. The idea that Michigan is in the same time zone is absurd. Michigan should be in CST. That would drop them back an hour. If you talked to someone in Michigan they probably hate DST. Their DST should be their current standard time and then they should fall back to CST if they wanted to do the DST switch thing. They would get a lot more sunlight in the morning.
Thats how many jobs already are. Jobs ending at 2pm in California because the majority of their market is already gone for the day. There is nothing chaotic about it at all. They are just numbers. We are open from 9-17. Hours posted, that’s when they are open. In New York when someone asks what time they are open the answer is 9-17, in Japan, it’s 9-17. No matter where you are in the world, look at your watch/clock/phone I should be able to say huh, it’s 11, they are open… I’ll give them a call. 0 chaos. No asking what time zone, no asking if it’s 11am or pm, just 9-17. Always the same for anyone who wants to do business with that business.
Sidenote, think about how much cooler new years would be. Everyone on the planet moving to a new year at the same time. Not, well Terry is in Texas so it won’t be for another hour there.
It’s not just numbers: there’s an even more significant factor: insolation. It would be much more uneven for different places and sunlight affects our psychic and physiology.
The amount of sun is not dictated by what time we arbitrarily call it. People’s scheduled times for work would vary based on location, so someone in CA who currently works 9-5 would would work like 17-3. Which would be the same as the sun coverage locally is concerned.
If companies actually are about such things then since the sun goes down at at 4:36 where I live, also the majority of people work inside. So a a healthier schedule would be getting off work at 12, and going to bed at 5:30pm (17:30).
That extends the most amount of hours you spend awake and not sitting inside working, to daylight. So your workday should start around 3 it will be light outside when you take lunch at 7, and you get off at 12. So you have full access to the best psychic and physiology right? Sun sets at 4:30, and your in bed by 5:30.
Somehow I don’t think that’s what people want though.
I personally don’t care for it much, but I am usually more awake during the night anyways.
My start times this week were; 6:30, 3:30, 6, 6, 5:30. Most would think that’s to early, especially when you have to drive 50 miles to work. So I leave at 2:30am on Tuesdays, lol.
Every job is different
He’ll probably fuck it up by pushing for year-round DST (where the sun wouldn’t rise until after 8 AM in the winter).
Uhh this is what I want. Id rather have sunlight after work than before
You’d rather have your evenings be useless? If anything we should move the clock an hour back in summer.
Cool, its objectively worse for people and society in general though.
Just trying to distract the public from any number of his fucked up shit
I’m for permanent daylight. Not a morning person so i hate the sun coming up so early. The mornings should be dark and gloomy (because I have to go to work, work sucks) plus the added benefit of actually having some light when you get off work. The sun going down right when I’m finally off is kind of insulting and depressing.
Getting anyone to come to an agreement on this will be impossible since its based on preference.
Aren’t they doing the opposite though, they are doing no light when you get off work?
I’m definitely with you though, having it dark outside when I’m done work for the day sucks, even when working from home.
That’s why you base it on science and will you look at that, regular time is better, who would have thought?
Extra hour of sunlight for golf no doubt.
That would be permanent Daylight Savings, not eliminating it.
Though I’m not sure he or many others know the difference.Half the people cheering the elimination of DST actually want permanent DST. Can’t wait for this to go through, morons will get what they asked for instead of what they wanted. Theyre going to spend the extra hour of sun asleep in their beds.
I don’t give a crap if the clocks stay forward or stay back, as long as they stay put.
Take off your watch then, you’re the one carrying it around.
As someone who mourns the 24hrs open world that covid killed, I don’t care what the sky looks like, I’m just sick of my circadian rhythm being thrown off every few months because some fuck couldn’t be bothered to use a lamp and decided it needed to be everyone else’s problem.
You realize the circadian rhythm of humans is massively influenced by the sun right? It’s not just not using lamps, the light of the sun literally activates hormones that tell you it’s time to get up and lack of sunlight makes hormones tell you it’s time to sleep.
Yes, I also understand that the sun rising and setting doesn’t stop me from going about my day. Daylight savings doesn’t take away the sun, it just let’s my boss demand I change what time I wake up by an hour.
So it’s not about your circadian rhythm anymore its about fighting it and doing your things no matter what the sun is doing? Most humans still need light to regulate their sleep, emotions, hair growth, and literal bone density. I’m glad your special but pretending like it’s just people who don’t want to use lamps is the worst comparison I think ive ever seen on the subject.
I would be prepared to take either one at this point
Whatever gets the clocks fixed.
As you age time appears to pass faster.
In your late 70s, six months flies by, so older people tend to hate daylight savings time, because they feel.like they’re constantly changing their clocks.
It’s why Biden was such a bad president, the last four years flew by and he probably barely realized it.
It’s why the entire time he kept saying “we need to figure out what’s going on first”.
At that age you just can’t keep up with a normal day to day, let alone be the fucking president of America.
trump obviously will (and has) had the same issue, it’s just when Trump doesn’t get his shit done, it’s almost always a positive for the country.
Not that I can tell yet, but i heard that the peak of time passing is around 45-50 years old. Also, things like this apply a lot more to people who do the same routines day in and day out. Someone like Trump probably sees it a bit less due to always having a different day most days. Although, at the same time, how many days did he golf or just vacation on his last term?
Whatever his reason, it’s gonna be stupid.
But unironically, there’s a lot of good reasons to just go with one time or the other.
So it’s weird to keep seeing headlines about it
Media is desperate to get people to arguing over shit that doesn’t really matter along party lines.
They’re still shitting their pants over 99% of the country uniting behind Luigi. They want us to talk about anything except the shit that effects billionaires negatively
Edit:
but i heard that the peak of time passing is around 45-50 years old.
I kind of just glossed over that. But it’s completely incorrect btw …
Honestly I’d rather have the switch than permanent daylight.
Permanent Daylight would suuuuuck in the winter. You’d be at school or work for hours before you see the sun. I’d prefer to be on permanent standard time and just have the sun wake me up earlier in the summertime. I don’t need a 9 pm sunset.
Suck in winter, and half of spring and fall.
