They won’t be able to implement half of it just due to the bureaucracy of the system fighting against any kind of big change. The part they do manage to ram through will be damaging enough, though.
Do you know what Project 2025 is? Part of the plan involves removing the bureaucracy and replacing them with Trump loyalists and sycophants
That’s if they replace them at all, as in many cases they will be eliminating regulatory agencies entirely.
I hope things like NPR can survive when their funds are finally cut entirely, as at this point the larger stations have enough donors to stay afloat. I hope.
Yes, I’m aware. Still doesn’t matter. They can start down that path, and then they’ll find out how hard it actually is to get the US government bureaucracy to change anything. Infighting among those “loyalists” will also bog it all down.
They’re being chosen for loyalty first, and competence a distant second. It’s not going to work.
That’s fundamentally not how it works. The bureaucracy must exist to a certain extent. Running a country of 330M people and $25T GDP without it is ludicrous. People must exist in all that who can actually do the work and not just be yes men.
They’ll make a lot of press for the first year or so of firing people and trying to replace them. Some of those replacements will back out, and positions will go unfilled. Then the consequences of not having the old guard around will start to sink in, and the whole project will grind against itself.
To be clear, none of this is good. Those consequences won’t be confined to the people causing the problems. Not even close. But it will mitigate the damage from a full implementation of Project 2025.
I think you’re missing that the GOP has been in “burn it all down” mode for 16 years. They don’t want a functioning government, they think government gets in the way of a libertarian utopia (Vance’s own words).
No, I’m saying that very factor will kill the whole project. They don’t understand how any of it works, why it has to work the way it does (at least to some extent), and things will go wrong because of it. As those things pile up, it’s going to be increasingly clear that they are creating more problems than they’re solving, and they will have to spend increasingly amounts of time solving those problems rather than moving the project forward.
They don’t care if it creates problems because they’ll explain it away as short term, transition, private market will solve it because the private market solves everything, etc. That’s the point of “burn it all down”, they don’t care. Everything will go wrong in our eyes, but in their eyes it’s not wrong.
Doesn’t matter. Certain things have to be done correctly. Orwellian Rightthink doesn’t work in the long run; you can say that 2+2=5 all you want, but if you’re making a car, it has to be 4. This will affect the billionaire Republican donors, and then they’ll start caring.
Not good enough. Even winding down an agency, like NOAA (fully planned as part of Project 2025), takes effort. These people don’t have any appreciation for how they’ll pull one thread and find it’s connected to a hundred other threads. Trump personally lacks the attention span to put any effort into it, and the people underneath him will jockey for position and work at cross purposes.
It’s not a lot of comfort right now, but fascism is self-defeating.
Something like NOAA really requires a lot of experts to run, and get value from. If they replace it with loyalists, privatize it, or just stop funding it all together it’s entire benefit will end.
I can list a ton of impacts to NOAA benefits ending:
National Weather Service likely gets privatized
only premium users get the 24/7 continuous weather updates from NWR broadcasts (radio weather updates).
3.NWWS (basically used for severe weather monitoring) now has fees or is gone.
EWIN means no more emergency weather coordination.
That means immediately we have disasters in all farming communities from lower crop yields. The tornado belt will get deadlier. You can just forget about living in Florida. It will be very expensive to fly because airlines no longer receive that data. More destructive forest fires. Incoming and outgoing sea shipping will become much more expensive and dangerous (more expensive imports, exports, seafood, off shore oil).
Not to mention space weather is in the realm of NOAA. Satellite and radio comms will be difficult to account for. Geomagnetic storms will cause infrastructure damage when operators of pipelines and power grids can’t prepare for the induced surges.
That’s just a tiny list. I like sort collectively acknowledge - Maga is a cult of Death. It doesnt matter who or why, they just want to cull the human population.
What’s sort of funny to me is the conspiracy about our leaders being lizard people makes more since if the Project 2025 people are actually aliens going about in a systemic way to remove us from the planet for themselves. A la “They Live” style.
The people saying there are protections to prevent this don’t understand just how bad this is. They co trol everything. The United States just became a 1 party country because assholes stayed home to protest shit that is only going to get exponentially worse under trump. They forgot the lessons of his first term.
They won’t be able to implement half of it just due to the bureaucracy of the system fighting against any kind of big change. The part they do manage to ram through will be damaging enough, though.
Do you know what Project 2025 is? Part of the plan involves removing the bureaucracy and replacing them with Trump loyalists and sycophants
That’s if they replace them at all, as in many cases they will be eliminating regulatory agencies entirely.
I hope things like NPR can survive when their funds are finally cut entirely, as at this point the larger stations have enough donors to stay afloat. I hope.
Yes, I’m aware. Still doesn’t matter. They can start down that path, and then they’ll find out how hard it actually is to get the US government bureaucracy to change anything. Infighting among those “loyalists” will also bog it all down.
They’re being chosen for loyalty first, and competence a distant second. It’s not going to work.
You’re clearly not aware. The bureaucracy is being removed entirely. It won’t be there anymore to be an obstacle.
That’s fundamentally not how it works. The bureaucracy must exist to a certain extent. Running a country of 330M people and $25T GDP without it is ludicrous. People must exist in all that who can actually do the work and not just be yes men.
They’ll make a lot of press for the first year or so of firing people and trying to replace them. Some of those replacements will back out, and positions will go unfilled. Then the consequences of not having the old guard around will start to sink in, and the whole project will grind against itself.
To be clear, none of this is good. Those consequences won’t be confined to the people causing the problems. Not even close. But it will mitigate the damage from a full implementation of Project 2025.
I think you’re missing that the GOP has been in “burn it all down” mode for 16 years. They don’t want a functioning government, they think government gets in the way of a libertarian utopia (Vance’s own words).
No, I’m saying that very factor will kill the whole project. They don’t understand how any of it works, why it has to work the way it does (at least to some extent), and things will go wrong because of it. As those things pile up, it’s going to be increasingly clear that they are creating more problems than they’re solving, and they will have to spend increasingly amounts of time solving those problems rather than moving the project forward.
They don’t care if it creates problems because they’ll explain it away as short term, transition, private market will solve it because the private market solves everything, etc. That’s the point of “burn it all down”, they don’t care. Everything will go wrong in our eyes, but in their eyes it’s not wrong.
Doesn’t matter. Certain things have to be done correctly. Orwellian Rightthink doesn’t work in the long run; you can say that 2+2=5 all you want, but if you’re making a car, it has to be 4. This will affect the billionaire Republican donors, and then they’ll start caring.
Tell me… how many of those bureaucrats are going to “slow things down” when they stop getting paid and their workplace is sold out from under them?
They can sue in court… and those lawsuits will be rejected.
They have control of all three branches of government. No checks. No balances.
All 3 branches, Trump will have all yes men in his administration, and this time he benefits from his 4 prior years of stacking the courts.
Not good enough. Even winding down an agency, like NOAA (fully planned as part of Project 2025), takes effort. These people don’t have any appreciation for how they’ll pull one thread and find it’s connected to a hundred other threads. Trump personally lacks the attention span to put any effort into it, and the people underneath him will jockey for position and work at cross purposes.
It’s not a lot of comfort right now, but fascism is self-defeating.
That’s the major saving grace of it.
Something like NOAA really requires a lot of experts to run, and get value from. If they replace it with loyalists, privatize it, or just stop funding it all together it’s entire benefit will end.
I can list a ton of impacts to NOAA benefits ending: National Weather Service likely gets privatized
3.NWWS (basically used for severe weather monitoring) now has fees or is gone.
EWIN means no more emergency weather coordination.
Weather.gov is shut down or prioritized.
That means immediately we have disasters in all farming communities from lower crop yields. The tornado belt will get deadlier. You can just forget about living in Florida. It will be very expensive to fly because airlines no longer receive that data. More destructive forest fires. Incoming and outgoing sea shipping will become much more expensive and dangerous (more expensive imports, exports, seafood, off shore oil).
Not to mention space weather is in the realm of NOAA. Satellite and radio comms will be difficult to account for. Geomagnetic storms will cause infrastructure damage when operators of pipelines and power grids can’t prepare for the induced surges.
That’s just a tiny list. I like sort collectively acknowledge - Maga is a cult of Death. It doesnt matter who or why, they just want to cull the human population.
What’s sort of funny to me is the conspiracy about our leaders being lizard people makes more since if the Project 2025 people are actually aliens going about in a systemic way to remove us from the planet for themselves. A la “They Live” style.
It really is just a recipe to destroy all functioning systems. It doesnt make any sense unless you want to absolutely wreck a country.
Mr Musk fired 80% of the Twitter staff. Pretty sure there was no organized wind down, it’s just gone. That’s how he thinks it works.
Isn’t part of it about firing anyone that gets in their way? Schedule F provisions?
The people saying there are protections to prevent this don’t understand just how bad this is. They co trol everything. The United States just became a 1 party country because assholes stayed home to protest shit that is only going to get exponentially worse under trump. They forgot the lessons of his first term.