the days of large families where some grandparent or aunt can take carebof your kids is long gone.
My wife’s mom was pivotal in getting through the first six months of my son’s life. But that’s because she lived 15 minutes away and had all the time in the world.
I got in a conversation with a friend who talked about how she was raised by her aunt, while the rest of the family worked to pay the bills for the home. They lived well not because they individually got rich, but because they learned how to share the wealth they had.
It’s also odd that your vision of a world would deny labour specialization
Privatization isn’t specialization. Having a daycare on your block doesn’t mean you need to tip out some outrageous vig to the local loan shark. If you’re dead set on dividing people up into economic casts, where some people spend their lives taking care of everyone else’s kids, you can achieve that kind of professionalization and then pay the people rather than paying the landlords.
The world you dream of is long gone
It’s alive and well. We’ve just denegrated it and punished those people who still pursue it.
We don’t have to live this way. But we will if we continue to let billionaires bully us
Nobody is saying this but you. I was clear and said specialization.
We don’t have to live this way. But we will if we continue to let billionaires bully us.
I agree that there are a million better ways to organize civilization. Our current path is dystopia then extinction. It would be good to do better. Having more children on a planet going through an anthropogenic 6th great mass extinction is probably not the good move we’re looking for.
But the conversation wasn’t about models of ownership or economic modalities. Nothing I said is invalidated by capitalism, socialism, communism, democracy, authorotarianism etc… Degrowth is a simple, known method that is ethical and requires no magical thinking of hail-mary techno-inventing some just-out-of-reach-but-never-quite-here technology that all the growth based schools of thought seem to depend on. It works under any modality.
Let a little air out of the balloon before it pops. Not complicated.
Degrowth is a simple, known method that is ethical and requires no magical thinking
That’s got nothing to do with individuals having or not having kids. Neither does high daycare costs.
Let a little air out of the balloon before it pops.
The problem with these metaphors is that they never have any material grounding. An economy isn’t an air bubble. “Letting the air out” isn’t “having fewer kids”. And I’m not even sure what you think “popping” is supposed to be.
This is a really disastisfying discussion. You can’t see how degrowth has everything to do with daycare prices and birthrates, so I can only assume you are new to the concept and haven’t bothered a cursory glance to wikipedia.
In the same breath, you post how you don’t like metaphores meant to characterize arguments to lay people.
My wife’s mom was pivotal in getting through the first six months of my son’s life. But that’s because she lived 15 minutes away and had all the time in the world.
I got in a conversation with a friend who talked about how she was raised by her aunt, while the rest of the family worked to pay the bills for the home. They lived well not because they individually got rich, but because they learned how to share the wealth they had.
Privatization isn’t specialization. Having a daycare on your block doesn’t mean you need to tip out some outrageous vig to the local loan shark. If you’re dead set on dividing people up into economic casts, where some people spend their lives taking care of everyone else’s kids, you can achieve that kind of professionalization and then pay the people rather than paying the landlords.
It’s alive and well. We’ve just denegrated it and punished those people who still pursue it.
We don’t have to live this way. But we will if we continue to let billionaires bully us
Nobody is saying this but you. I was clear and said specialization.
I agree that there are a million better ways to organize civilization. Our current path is dystopia then extinction. It would be good to do better. Having more children on a planet going through an anthropogenic 6th great mass extinction is probably not the good move we’re looking for.
That is the structure of the modern economy. I’m not magically speaking it into existence
But the conversation wasn’t about models of ownership or economic modalities. Nothing I said is invalidated by capitalism, socialism, communism, democracy, authorotarianism etc… Degrowth is a simple, known method that is ethical and requires no magical thinking of hail-mary techno-inventing some just-out-of-reach-but-never-quite-here technology that all the growth based schools of thought seem to depend on. It works under any modality.
Let a little air out of the balloon before it pops. Not complicated.
That’s got nothing to do with individuals having or not having kids. Neither does high daycare costs.
The problem with these metaphors is that they never have any material grounding. An economy isn’t an air bubble. “Letting the air out” isn’t “having fewer kids”. And I’m not even sure what you think “popping” is supposed to be.
This is a really disastisfying discussion. You can’t see how degrowth has everything to do with daycare prices and birthrates, so I can only assume you are new to the concept and haven’t bothered a cursory glance to wikipedia.
In the same breath, you post how you don’t like metaphores meant to characterize arguments to lay people.
I think we’re done here.
Because there’s not even a correlation, much less a causation.
Not when they’re hollow, no