• kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    16 hours ago

    Nah, things still suck in that alternate universe. Not as badly as they do here, but Harris wasn’t going to fix much of anything. She was just going to break fewer things.

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        15 hours ago

        Fewer lives lost now, but probably more in the long run. Democrats simply had no answer for the problems plaguing American society, so Trump’s death would’ve just led to the rise of a new fascist demagogue, probably a younger and smarter one.

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            7 hours ago

            There absolutely will be, but Trump built his movement on some not-very-solid ground, like protectionism, interventionism abroad+America first and pro-Russianism. These will be inherited by any future fascist leader, who won’t be easily able to undo all of them. It’d be worse if from the start you had a competent fascist leader who’d build a competent and more resilient fascist movement.

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              5 hours ago

              There absolutely will be, but Trump built his movement on some not-very-solid ground, like protectionism, interventionism abroad+America first and pro-Russianism.

              The only one of those that isn’t inherent to fascism is the pro-Russian orientation.

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                5 hours ago

                Fascists like protectionism and empires, but the exact form of the protectionism and empire could’ve been much better tailored to the realities of American society. Tne exact same MAGAts cheering on Trump’s stance towards Canada and Greenland then chafing under his Middle East policy shows that a clever fascist would only do one of these.

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                  5 hours ago

                  I think you overestimate the latitude fascists have to make policy, given the context of fascism. Any fascist coming to power in the US was naturally going to gravitate away from alignment with our traditional allies - even those as close and cooperative as Canada - and seek bombastic attacks on both traditional allies (showing ‘strength’) and traditional enemies. Since Russia and Israel are supportive of US fascism, and China is economically powerful, that leaves only a handful of targets.

                  Not only that, but where do you get the idea that MAGA chafes under his Middle Eastern policy? The only MAGA that are chafing under his Middle Eastern policy are the actual neonazis who hate Israel for being Jewish, which are a small proportion compared to the Christian nationalists who want Israel to be supported unconditionally to trigger the end times. And don’t get me started on what they think about bombing Middle-Eastern countries.

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      15 hours ago

      Harris wouldn’t have driven the country into the challenge deep and completely destroyed or standing across the entire globe while also alienating virtually all of our trading partners while simultaneously erecting concentration camps

      But yeah no she wouldn’t have done enough good things so basically not much different

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        11 hours ago

        There’s nothing quite like being told that the worsening of the lives of millions of people, both in America and abroad, isn’t a big deal because the other choice wouldn’t have radically improved our shitty society.

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        11 hours ago

        I never said they were similar. I said that things wouldn’t go well under Harris, just less badly. Those are not the same statement.